I'm with you Yello. I will miss them during the winter months when I'll have a different set of tires (snows) and rims on the car. In fact, my major hangup about going to dedicated snows was that I knew that to do it I was going to have to give up the stock 19" wheels for a few months out of the year.same. Too crazy for me. I'm in love with my stock 19's, I haven't seen any wheels like em. Always had 5 spokes on all my cars too. So I might be biased.