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hi,

I'm new - just ordered a new S5 without sat nav and B&O. Have i done the right thing. I've got time to add it to the order but i need to be quick. My logic for not having it is that i have sat nav in my current A6 and hardly use it so £2k for something I don't need seems daft - but what about resale values, will i regret it when its time to sell it on. As far as the B&O speakers I couldn't hear any real difference between the standard system in my A6 and the B&O system in the test A5 car I borrowed for a day. But again is it something that other will expect when you come to sell. I've kept the spec fairly light and with discount the car comes in at £40K.
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Cars without nav book between £1500 - £2000 less in Glass's Guide so really, you are laying out for it now but don't lose anything on it!
Irrespective of value, it will make the car easier to sell.
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Will for sure hit the resale value.

I think the sat nav is just a nice feature to have in the car, and you gotta have the B&O system.

If you have the budget. Do it!
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Hi Bry, welcome to the forum! Please update your profile to reflect your location. Since specs/options for the car vary from country to country, knowing where you're located will allow forum members to provide accurate answers to your future questions. Thanks.
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If nav were just nav, I would have passed, and I'd recommend that you do the same. Where Audi really gets us is that NAV isn't just about the navigation. It gives a much more sophisticated MMI interface. It relocates the MMI controls to the vastly more comfortable and convenient location behind the gearshift. It enables some other really cool options like the rear-view parking camera (which I presume you're not interested in).

I'll be the first to admit that I don't have much reason to use the navigation features, but I'm still glad I got the option because of its ancillary benefits.
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Bry said:
hi,

I'm new - just ordered a new S5 without sat nav and B&O. Have i done the right thing. I've got time to add it to the order but i need to be quick. My logic for not having it is that i have sat nav in my current A6 and hardly use it so £2k for something I don't need seems daft - but what about resale values, will i regret it when its time to sell it on. As far as the B&O speakers I couldn't hear any real difference between the standard system in my A6 and the B&O system in the test A5 car I borrowed for a day. But again is it something that other will expect when you come to sell. I've kept the spec fairly light and with discount the car comes in at £40K.
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I didn't go for the Nav either, although I did do the B&O. I'm with you, I just couldn't bring myself to part with £2k for something I don't need. I don't even need the gizmos that depend on it. I'm fine with the location of the controls and besides - they get used VERY rarely as the functions you need whilst driving are all available on the steering wheel. The MMI menus and interface are exactly the same as with NAV (with the exception of a couple of B&O menu options - which are pointless for you as you haven't gone with B&O!). As Dave mentioned, some of the 'advanced' options mentioned are not available, as you will know from the brochure.

As for the resale, you've paid £2k less for the car, so £2k less on the resale means you've lost nothing... in fact you have gained... That £2k is in your bank, earning interest and not sitting on the car finance where you're paying interest on it.

Like you, mine came in at around £40k, which is less than some are paying for spec'd up Diesels, the car still looks awesome and drives as well as one with NAV, which is why I bought the car. No regrets. :D
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I didn't go for the Nav either, although I did do the B&O. I'm with you, I just couldn't bring myself to part with £2k for something I don't need. I don't even need the gizmos that depend on it. I'm fine with the location of the controls and besides - they get used VERY rarely as the functions you need whilst driving are all available on the steering wheel. The MMI menus and interface are exactly the same as with NAV (with the exception of a couple of B&O menu options - which are pointless for you as you haven't gone with B&O!). As Dave mentioned, some of the 'advanced' options mentioned are not available, as you will know from the brochure.

As for the resale, you've paid £2k less for the car, so £2k less on the resale means you've lost nothing... in fact you have gained... That £2k is in your bank, earning interest and not sitting on the car finance where you're paying interest on it.

Like you, mine came in at around £40k, which is less than some are paying for spec'd up Diesels, the car still looks awesome and drives as well as one with NAV, which is why I bought the car. No regrets. :D
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Bry,
This argument goes on. The only thing I would add is that the A5/S5 is designed to have Sat/Nav and MMI with all the goodies that comes with it (e.g 6 CD changer, bigger Sat/Nav screen...) so if you settle for not having it there is a chunk of the design you are missing. I wasnt going to have it either but changed my mind at the last moment and don't regret it.
Regarding the B&O, I would test the standard system before you decide, I found it virtually the same when stationary. All I would say is I am VERY pleased with the standard system - the best audio system I have ever had in a European car.
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Ianhp1 said:
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I didn't go for the Nav either, although I did do the B&O. I'm with you, I just couldn't bring myself to part with £2k for something I don't need. I don't even need the gizmos that depend on it. I'm fine with the location of the controls and besides - they get used VERY rarely as the functions you need whilst driving are all available on the steering wheel. The MMI menus and interface are exactly the same as with NAV (with the exception of a couple of B&O menu options - which are pointless for you as you haven't gone with B&O!). As Dave mentioned, some of the 'advanced' options mentioned are not available, as you will know from the brochure.

As for the resale, you've paid £2k less for the car, so £2k less on the resale means you've lost nothing... in fact you have gained... That £2k is in your bank, earning interest and not sitting on the car finance where you're paying interest on it.

Like you, mine came in at around £40k, which is less than some are paying for spec'd up Diesels, the car still looks awesome and drives as well as one with NAV, which is why I bought the car. No regrets. :D
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+1 I also ordered withuot the nav and dont regret it either.As Ian said the car drives just the same as one with nav.My thinking was that 40k was a lot to be spending on a car and i didnt want to spend another 7-8k on novelty extras.The only reason i would have liked it was for the location of the mmi controls but couldnt justify spending 2k on it.
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You either need the nav or not. I use it a lot so I bought it. You say you don't really need it, so why pay for it (unless of course you want the extras that come with it as aerodave mentioned). In regards to the B&O, for me it is a must have. I drive quite a bit 25K miles per year, so it is a small price to pay for better entertainment and enjoyment of the car. Having said this, I have been playing the guitar, writing and recording music for over 30 years. I have listened to music through $100 dollar speakers and speakers that cost upwards of $50,000 each. After so many years of critical listening, it is hard for me to listen through a less accurate system. Not to say that the B&O doesn't have its little quirks, but the glaring absence of many high and low frequencies, and the boosted mids make the BOSE offerings intollerable to me. Having said this, I have also noticed over the years that people who are used to listening to a good system think that a great system sound great and those that are used to the great stuff think that the good stuff sounds really really really aweful. The truth is better sound equipment makes subtle things appear in music or film that you didn't hear before. It seems that more people notice (more easily) what is missing than what has been made more apparent, hence the disparity. Listen to both systems, and see if you hear much difference. If it doesn't seem much to you and the B&O doesn't make you go:eek:, then get the standard system. Otherwise, you are in the same boat as me.
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I do not have the B&O Sound. I would have ordered it, however as you heard, the stock system is great. As for nav, I need it for work as I travel alot. I have really enjoyed the AMI that comes with it. Seamless ipod integration.
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I should order both if you can. It will be a lot harder to sell if you don't have both these options...
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My father is trading in his Jag at the moment and was told that as he didnt have nav on his it reduces the trade in by £1500. He was told that the more expensive the car the more important having sat nav is.

You are getting less but paying less but it more or less ends up cost neutral. In which case its worth having for the benefits of the layout. But its personal preference.

B&O makes a big difference but only once you configure it off default settings. On default settings it sounds similar to the default system. It is also only as good as the source. If you intend to use an Ipod then you may as well forget B&O as the bitrate isnt good enough for the B&O to shine.
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I initially didn't include it in my order but added it a week later. It's a big expense but does give you the 6 CD and the MMI extras too. The B & O is superb but I haven't heard the stock system so can't comment on that. I love built in NAV and it does make sense if you don't lose anything on it over the course of owning the car. Makes reselling it easier as most people will buy a car with NAV over and above one which doesn't.

Looking at the various comments on here it does seem that it's going to be your personal choice, some people wont live without it others are not too bothered.
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I've heard both the stock (in an a5) and the B&O in my S5. The surround feature alone is worth the $ for the B&O. When you set it to "driver only" it is hugely better than just set to all around, or front passengers. Also, having the six CD changer is worth it if you are really into listening to SACD for certain types of recordings.

I dont use the NAV much, but once in a pinch, I can use it when Im lost by setting it to "home" and that usually is worth the price of admission. I have a Garmin in my other car which is more intuitive and I use often, so perhaps when I find that the MMI nav has become easier to use (and enjoy) then I'll use it more too.

As for the backup camera, it takes some testing and getting used to, but once you test it, it's very useful. For example, there are areas marked out on the back up, and you can watch them in the screen, then get outside the car as you cross each barrier, and look to see what that corresponds to out in the back of your car. Then eventually, when you are backing up in a parallel park situation, you can know exactly how far you far from playing bumper tag. I also use it to back out of my very narrow driveway. Once I figured out where I would normally drive to not go on the lawn or into the long flowerbed, I matched that to the screen view, and can now back out just using the screen. Also helps avoid the neighbors cats, or anything you inadvertently left behind the car (if you are one of those people who enters the garage from the front of the car and never sees if anything is behind the car until too late.

On the resale, I think you'll make your money back having both.
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Thanks guys a mixed bag of views - I think I am going to stick as I am and not add the Sat Nav and BO. I've bought this car because I want a sports car / GT car thats big enough to get the wife Kids in and head off to Europe on hoilday. It needed to be a car that puts a smile on my face every time you start that V8 and its all about the driving. If really needed all the toys I think I would have gone for a 3.0 tdi and spec'd it up to £40k. I tested the TDI first and it was superb, but I made the mistake of sitting in the S5 at the showroom and fired up that engine - there was no going back
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Bry said:
Thanks guys a mixed bag of views - I think I am going to stick as I am and not add the Sat Nav and BO. I've bought this car because I want a sports car / GT car thats big enough to get the wife Kids in and head off to Europe on hoilday. It needed to be a car that puts a smile on my face every time you start that V8 and its all about the driving. If really needed all the toys I think I would have gone for a 3.0 tdi and spec'd it up to £40k. I tested the TDI first and it was superb, but I made the mistake of sitting in the S5 at the showroom and fired up that engine - there was no going back
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Please dont take offence, but I notice you have gone for Met. paint and Adv. camera. Whilst its up to everyone to make up their own mind about these things I would save the cost of these options, go for black and put it towards Sat/Nav.
You will never get your money back on these whereas Sat/Nav you will.
Just check out Audi's website and see if you can find ANY S5s without Sat/Nav.
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I am only going for the front parking sensors (£300) and metalic paint (£600). I don't want a non metalic car so thats not really and option for me to put the cost of these towards satnav. I think the issue here is not whether you get your money back. I am paying £2k less so if the car is worth £2k less then so what. The issue is of course selling it at some point. Will it be a car that buyers are less interested in because it doesn't have satnav. I just have such a problem with £2k for something i don't use very much and a £200 screen mounted unit for the odd European trip makes more sense. I did read a simlar thread on a porsche forum and guys on there were talking about in built sat nav becoming less relevant as the car gets older as people don't upgrade the disks and eventually it become obsolete. That may be true bit probably only once the car is 5 or 6 years old.
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Bry said:
I am only going for the front parking sensors (£300) and metalic paint (£600). I don't want a non metalic car so thats not really and option for me to put the cost of these towards satnav. I think the issue here is not whether you get your money back. I am paying £2k less so if the car is worth £2k less then so what. The issue is of course selling it at some point. Will it be a car that buyers are less interested in because it doesn't have satnav. I just have such a problem with £2k for something i don't use very much and a £200 screen mounted unit for the odd European trip makes more sense. I did read a simlar thread on a porsche forum and guys on there were talking about in built sat nav becoming less relevant as the car gets older as people don't upgrade the disks and eventually it become obsolete. That may be true bit probably only once the car is 5 or 6 years old.
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Yes, to answer your question it will be less attractive to sell as well as being worth 2k less. Its not just replacing the screen mount TomTom, its about all the MMI and other features as well as we tried to explain.
Why don't you visit your dealer and sit in an A5 or A6 and have them explain what will change? If not you may regret it, its not just about the money.
Only trying to help.
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Bry said:
I did read a simlar thread on a porsche forum and guys on there were talking about in built sat nav becoming less relevant as the car gets older as people don't upgrade the disks and eventually it become obsolete. That may be true bit probably only once the car is 5 or 6 years old.
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5-6 years from now, I would think the expectation that a vehicle has the Navi system will be very high as it becomes more and more "standard" equipment. When you go to get rid of yours, the fact that you may not have it will make it far less desirable IMO.
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