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S5 modifications - APS, UK, 15th Feb

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All, a number of S5 owners met at the premises of APS in Brackley, Northants on Friday to undertake some of the more popular modifications bing talked about on this forum. Here's a few initial details - I'll post a pictorial diary of the day and fellow owner Ian, sound recordist extraordinaire, has some 'before and after' sound files which clearly show the (marked) difference between stock and Milltek resonated exhaust. To answer the burning question - 'is it worth it and should I wait for a non-res version' - 'YES' and 'NO'. More details later.

Background to the day

As many of you will know, Ian and I had separately approached APS for details and pricing on a series of mods (primarily exhaust and suspension/track). Ian pulled it together via another thread and APS arranged a day for a number of owners to meet and either have the mods performed, or simply view the work in progress and its results. Hence, we met at APS's premises in Brackley, Northants this last Friday 15th.

APS.

Have to spend a few lines commending this outfit. Their premises are immaculate (as you'll see from the pics), their customer service and communication (through partner, Ed Jackson) is beyond reproach and their engineers are not only damn good blokes but at the top of their game. They work in pairs on each car, methodically assisting each other and checking each stage of the work. Gained huge comfort in watching the way they handled my prized possesion. They have a wealth of experience with a variety of VAG models and this is apparent in conversation with them. You'll also find it hard to beet their keen pricing!

The cars

On the day, three cars were to be modified, these being:
  • Mine (Meteor Grey), in for exhaust, spacers, springs and Sportec pedals
  • Ian's (Phantom Black) in for the same less pedals, although having seen them, quickly added to his list :)
  • Colli's (Ibis White), intended to have re-map, spacers springs and pedals done, with exhaust next week. As it turned out, springs hadn't arrived so he'll be back for those with the exhaust.
We were also joined by Graham and his meteor S5 who was interested in seeing the results, and Neil from Honda's F1 operation round the corner who's had a loaded black S5 for a few months and joined us to see the work taking place.

So, at one point, close to £250K's worth of S5 all parked up - quite a sight (and sound!).....

The mods - subjective impressions

In summary, the mods make a huge difference to the car and make it, in my opinion, the type of car we hoped Audi would make. Aesthetically, the pictures speak for themselves with the car now possessing a totally aggressive stance - the word that springs to mind is 'menacing'. The Milltek slash-cut exhaust looks tremendous, well-suited to the car and avoiding the Max Power look by virtue of its careful integration with the lines of the rear valance. It could be said that for this benefit alone, the mods are worth the money but what of the drive?

When my car was initially lowered from the ramp and the engine fired-up, I have to say my heart sank and Ian's face fell. At idle, the exhaust note was noticeably more subdued - we both started to wonder if we had done/were about to do the right thing. Then I sat in the car and revved it up. OMG. The sound of the car, most particularly from inside had changed beyond recognition. From the standard burble, the note had changed to a deep but hard-edged growl (check out Ian's comparative sound files for confirmation of this). The car was taken out by Ed for a quick shakedown and upon return, I went out for a quick blast up and down the A43. I didn't stop smiling. Under load, the exhaust just bellow - unmistakably a V8 sound but more akin to a race car. No need to put the back seats down now to get the benefit! ;) With the window down, it was apparent that the sound that passers-by are subjected too is no less arresting - the car just howls its intent :eek:

The ride quality is, as you'd expect, notably firmer and certainly in the UK, it's fair to say that 90% of the time, you'll be completely aware that the car is riding on stiffer springs. That said, it's part of the miraculous metamorphosis of the car from GT to hard-edged sports saloon and totally in keeping. Any trade-off in terms of ride comfort (and there is some) is more than balanced by the car's poise on the road and enhanced cornering ability - roundabouts on the A43 were despatched in one seamless movement, body-roll all but banished and the car still largely unaffected by mid-corner road surface imperfections although on one or two occasions, I have sensed it skip slightly as it encounters bumps and holes, where the previous set-up would have been more tolerant.

Regarding the spacers - can't honestly say I notice any negative impact on steering feel - although there's a sense of additional weight at low speeds. Steering accuracy is unaffected as speeds increase. Both Ian and I (and I think Colli?) decided on aesthetic grounds to go with front spacers as well as rears and whilst we each harboured some concerns about the possible effects on steering geometry, this seem to have been misplaced. We'll keep an eye on the front tyres for any signs of uneven wear, but first impressions are comforting.

That's it for now - in the office today and have to do some proper work - will post some more pics in follow-on posts and more later from I and others.....

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Hey all,

Well, i'm a new member and within two minutes I have just booked into APS next Weds for Milltek, Springs, Spacers and Remap. You've just cost me £1600 :p

Very informative post and great pics. Thanks! I'll post mine once completed next week.

Cheers

Dan
(sherv)
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...You won't be dissapointed with the results... or the service.

I have to admit it was this forum that got me considering modding mine with only 400 miles on the clock! Damnit!! ...and the obvious knowledge and competence of APS that sealed the deal... No regrets though... I have an awesome looking and performing beast now and LOVE IT!!

:D
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...You won't be dissapointed with the results... or the service.

I have to admit it was this forum that got me considering modding mine with only 400 miles on the clock! Damnit!! ...and the obvious knowledge and competence of APS that sealed the deal... No regrets though... I have an awesome looking and performing beast now and LOVE IT!!

:D
I can't wait to be honest. Ed was very helpful on the phone and happy for me to bend his ear! i shall upload pics once she's done and some feedback!

Cheers
Are you not worried about warranty issues?
i would love to get exhaust for s5 its on lease so i dont really own it:confused: :confused:
CHUNKSTAR, i have a lease and i'll be doing it to my 1.8, and chipping it. I may be tempted by that suspension kit jobby which Ed has on his site if its actually worth it, i dont really want really hard suspension though as i mostly drive on B and country roads.
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Hi,

I'm keeping all of the original springs and exhaust for resale sake if someone wants the car in its original condition. Ed at APS stated that the remap is undetectable by Audi as it doesn't tweak parts of the software that Audi test.

Regarding warranty i beleive I read somewhere on here that generally you are fine as long as any faults problems aren't caused by the aftermarket parts...?!

I absolutely love my car but as with Ian etc i feel lowering and spacers, and exhaust will improve it. I have just sold my 44k RHD RS2 and although this was very rare and immaculate I had it lowered with H&R and the Milltek exhaust. :)

With regard the ride I am used to the lowered RS2 and a porsche so it won't seem very hard from me. Just hope it doesn't bring out rattles in the cabin :(
Hi,

I'm keeping all of the original springs and exhaust for resale sake if someone wants the car in its original condition. Ed at APS stated that the remap is undetectable by Audi as it doesn't tweak parts of the software that Audi test.

Regarding warranty i beleive I read somewhere on here that generally you are fine as long as any faults problems aren't caused by the aftermarket parts...?!

I absolutely love my car but as with Ian etc i feel lowering and spacers, and exhaust will improve it. I have just sold my 44k RHD RS2 and although this was very rare and immaculate I had it lowered with H&R and the Milltek exhaust. :)

With regard the ride I am used to the lowered RS2 and a porsche so it won't seem very hard from me. Just hope it doesn't bring out rattles in the cabin :(
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...No rattles in mine!

:D
Hey Sherv,

I think your S5 is equally as rare around these parts, Still only seen 1 A5/S5 on the road to date. Seen plenty of A5's parked up in the Wymondham Waitrose car park, which seems to be a good place to spot new audi's, seen the R8, new A4 saloons and estates there already.

I think you should go for it Sherv, the spacers make it look nice even though I personally dont like the idea of spacers. Im sure theres nothing wrong with them though. I like the more aggressiveness look that the 25mm drop gives but i think its a little too much, especially with the spacers.

You need the S5 exhaust though, thats essential! :) Have you heard the sound clip they made?
I just want the 1.8 one for a performance boost, I just hope its not loud.
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All booked in so going ahead with it :D looking forward to it. THe only concern I have really is the sitting of the tailpipes as I don't like them sticking out and want them set back with the valance as they should be. Ed says there's a little bit of play so we shall see....

Attached pic of the old RS2 for anyone interested.

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Awesome should sound very nice.

And wow that must have been very very hard to part with! looks amazing.
guys, what about 20 mm spacers? Do they fit? Or there was a reason you chose 15 mm? thanks.
Audi Driver Article

Gents
I just received my April copy of Audi Driver in the mail here in the US.
The article on your mods done by APS was great.
You are fortunate to have a facility like APS with their expertise in the general vicinity.

I'll have to seek out your autographs when I get to the UK.
guys, what about 20 mm spacers? Do they fit? Or there was a reason you chose 15 mm? thanks.
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Looking at the 15mm ones I have fitted. I doubt 20mm spacers would be possible with the car lowered too. I think the tryes would foul the bodywork.
Gents
I just received my April copy of Audi Driver in the mail here in the US.
The article on your mods done by APS was great.
You are fortunate to have a facility like APS with their expertise in the general vicinity.

I'll have to seek out your autographs when I get to the UK.
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You are right. We are fortunate to have access to the kind of expertise and service APS provide.

Autograph? ...Great! I'll have my special 'autograph pen' ready for your visit!!

...My only disspapointment with the article is the lack of a good large picture of the finished result... the driving pics are great, but distort the car a little so it's not possible to really take in the detail in perspective.
By the way everyone... I think this thread has had the most viewings BY FAR of any thread I've seen... 3,800+ viewings more than double the nearest rival.
APS a success!

Hey all,

Well, 2.5 hour drive plenty of tea and fodder and a 2.5 hour drive return I now have a lowered, spacered, remapped and exhausted :) S5. As you all stated Ed and his team were very professional, knowledgable and helpful. I specifically requested the tailpipes of the exhaust were pushed back further and lifted to appear more OEM. They did just that and the car is now EVEN better. lowering and spacers are spot on.

The remap although not that noticable at first due to the fact the car is so new and is still bedding in still feels more responsive, smoother to drive. I will report more in a couple of months.

The slightly stiffer ride makes the car feel more sports car like with better steering response too! The sound from the exhaust has left me deliberately hanging in gear and changing down to early to absorb the V8 rumble :D

All in all I would absolutely recommend APS. I arrived at :)30am and left at 2ish. Job done!
Pics will come and and when I get off my arse and the weather is nice :p

Thanks again all for the indepth feedback it persuaded me to go this route. No regrets!
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Great feedback Sherv and glad you're pleased - it really transforms the car and makes it what it, in my opinion, should have been from the outset.

I'll be interested in your longer-term impressions of the re-map. I know IanHP1 is getting ready to prise the readies out of his piggy-bank, and I may be tempted too - funny how cars seem to get slower after you've had them a little while.......:confused:

Ed's on the look out fro Brembo Sport replacement discs for Ian and I when they're released and I'm probably going to take the suspension to the next level with the KW KV3 coilovers when they available mid-May. Being typically fair, Ed's offered me a deal for the upgrade so once again, I can't praise their customer care highly enough!

Enjoy the ride and keep us up to date with your impressions. As Ian notes, a lot of people use this thread as a reference re. S5 mods!
I'll keep an eye and ear out for the thunder. :)
Guys I'm going to call Ed next week to book up some mods, anyone interested in meeting up for a second wave mod meet ??? Might be good to get a few cars together, help kill some time while APS do the work,,,just a thought. PM me if your interested...
Might be interested Blade i am currently saving up my pennys for my mods to my S5 at APS especially after looking at the reveiws and pics in this months Audi Driver,was very impressed and has made my mind up without actually seeing a S5 in the flesh with mods done.I might be a little late though Blade for your meet there as i could be looking four to eight weeks to book my S5 in unless job i have priced for at work comes off,if that happens i will book car in the next few weeks.
Look forward to pics when you get time Sherv ;)
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