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S5 modifications - APS, UK, 15th Feb

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All, a number of S5 owners met at the premises of APS in Brackley, Northants on Friday to undertake some of the more popular modifications bing talked about on this forum. Here's a few initial details - I'll post a pictorial diary of the day and fellow owner Ian, sound recordist extraordinaire, has some 'before and after' sound files which clearly show the (marked) difference between stock and Milltek resonated exhaust. To answer the burning question - 'is it worth it and should I wait for a non-res version' - 'YES' and 'NO'. More details later.

Background to the day

As many of you will know, Ian and I had separately approached APS for details and pricing on a series of mods (primarily exhaust and suspension/track). Ian pulled it together via another thread and APS arranged a day for a number of owners to meet and either have the mods performed, or simply view the work in progress and its results. Hence, we met at APS's premises in Brackley, Northants this last Friday 15th.

APS.

Have to spend a few lines commending this outfit. Their premises are immaculate (as you'll see from the pics), their customer service and communication (through partner, Ed Jackson) is beyond reproach and their engineers are not only damn good blokes but at the top of their game. They work in pairs on each car, methodically assisting each other and checking each stage of the work. Gained huge comfort in watching the way they handled my prized possesion. They have a wealth of experience with a variety of VAG models and this is apparent in conversation with them. You'll also find it hard to beet their keen pricing!

The cars

On the day, three cars were to be modified, these being:
  • Mine (Meteor Grey), in for exhaust, spacers, springs and Sportec pedals
  • Ian's (Phantom Black) in for the same less pedals, although having seen them, quickly added to his list :)
  • Colli's (Ibis White), intended to have re-map, spacers springs and pedals done, with exhaust next week. As it turned out, springs hadn't arrived so he'll be back for those with the exhaust.
We were also joined by Graham and his meteor S5 who was interested in seeing the results, and Neil from Honda's F1 operation round the corner who's had a loaded black S5 for a few months and joined us to see the work taking place.

So, at one point, close to £250K's worth of S5 all parked up - quite a sight (and sound!).....

The mods - subjective impressions

In summary, the mods make a huge difference to the car and make it, in my opinion, the type of car we hoped Audi would make. Aesthetically, the pictures speak for themselves with the car now possessing a totally aggressive stance - the word that springs to mind is 'menacing'. The Milltek slash-cut exhaust looks tremendous, well-suited to the car and avoiding the Max Power look by virtue of its careful integration with the lines of the rear valance. It could be said that for this benefit alone, the mods are worth the money but what of the drive?

When my car was initially lowered from the ramp and the engine fired-up, I have to say my heart sank and Ian's face fell. At idle, the exhaust note was noticeably more subdued - we both started to wonder if we had done/were about to do the right thing. Then I sat in the car and revved it up. OMG. The sound of the car, most particularly from inside had changed beyond recognition. From the standard burble, the note had changed to a deep but hard-edged growl (check out Ian's comparative sound files for confirmation of this). The car was taken out by Ed for a quick shakedown and upon return, I went out for a quick blast up and down the A43. I didn't stop smiling. Under load, the exhaust just bellow - unmistakably a V8 sound but more akin to a race car. No need to put the back seats down now to get the benefit! ;) With the window down, it was apparent that the sound that passers-by are subjected too is no less arresting - the car just howls its intent :eek:

The ride quality is, as you'd expect, notably firmer and certainly in the UK, it's fair to say that 90% of the time, you'll be completely aware that the car is riding on stiffer springs. That said, it's part of the miraculous metamorphosis of the car from GT to hard-edged sports saloon and totally in keeping. Any trade-off in terms of ride comfort (and there is some) is more than balanced by the car's poise on the road and enhanced cornering ability - roundabouts on the A43 were despatched in one seamless movement, body-roll all but banished and the car still largely unaffected by mid-corner road surface imperfections although on one or two occasions, I have sensed it skip slightly as it encounters bumps and holes, where the previous set-up would have been more tolerant.

Regarding the spacers - can't honestly say I notice any negative impact on steering feel - although there's a sense of additional weight at low speeds. Steering accuracy is unaffected as speeds increase. Both Ian and I (and I think Colli?) decided on aesthetic grounds to go with front spacers as well as rears and whilst we each harboured some concerns about the possible effects on steering geometry, this seem to have been misplaced. We'll keep an eye on the front tyres for any signs of uneven wear, but first impressions are comforting.

That's it for now - in the office today and have to do some proper work - will post some more pics in follow-on posts and more later from I and others.....

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thats fine graham, it will probably end up sitting in my garage, lets agree a price and i will get it sent straight to you if you like??
thats fine graham, it will probably end up sitting in my garage, lets agree a price and i will get it sent straight to you if you like??
Hi guys,
I would be very interested in buying an exhaust system of any of you guys please getr in touch to make arrangements.

Regards Golfdeeko
gonzolicious, how long did it take them to do the work and how much did they charge you? this is the first mod I am having done when I pick up my S5,but want to make sure to have it done by reputable/capable shop.
yo, jugger....
it took under 2 hours. billing was 90/hour. slapped it on, made sure it was properly fitted, brought it back up to tweek it, then let it run a bit to smoke it out, then took it for a quick lap around the block to ensure nothin' was a rattlin'.

the boys over at the shop charged me the exact px, i.e., didn't add on to the px of the exhaust.
Hi guys, am taking delivery of my S5 this Friday. Had ordered it at end of October'07 and was told delivery would be mid-July'08 but I guess Audi had a spurt of productivity and hey presto it’s all going to happen this week, it suddenly feels like Christmas again and I’m 12 years old... roll on Friday :D

I’ve just come across the YouTube upload for Ian’s (Ianhp1) S5, it sounds and looks great. Having read everything you’ve had to say about APS it looks like I need to be booking my car in asap.

Ian I don’t recall you saying anything about your car being remapped – so can I assume you’ve left the electronics alone and just dealt with the exhaust? If so, I’m guessing BHP hasn’t improved but has that 0-60 dash now dropped below 5 seconds?

By the way I’ve recently seen that the S5 is now available with optional 20” alloys. I tried to get my order amended but at this late stage Audi wanted nearly £3,500 :eek: for the pleasure so I guess I’ll be sticking with the standard 19”.
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Hi guys,
I would be very interested in buying an exhaust system of any of you guys please getr in touch to make arrangements.

Regards Golfdeeko
I only wanted the spare exhaust to "play" with so wasn't prepared to pay what it's actually worth. So if you haven't already, then contact Colli.
I'm getting crazy prices for the exhaust over this side of the water :(

I'll have to drive to APS and have it fitted :p
Guys, Audi Driver Magazine will be running a feature about our S5 day at APS... here's a sample press photo of my car from the day that they have sent me.

Please respect the image rights of the photographer and magazine by not copying or distributing this picture. Thanks!

:D
Hi Ian,

I've subscribed to the mag. I see the current one has a road test on the S5. Do you know when they intend running the one with your cars in?
The feature will be in the April edition
Hi guys, am taking delivery of my S5 this Friday. Had ordered it at end of October'07 and was told delivery would be mid-July'08 but I guess Audi had a spurt of productivity and hey presto it’s all going to happen this week, it suddenly feels like Christmas again and I’m 12 years old... roll on Friday :D

I’ve just come across the YouTube upload for Ian’s (Ianhp1) S5, it sounds and looks great. Having read everything you’ve had to say about APS it looks like I need to be booking my car in asap.

Ian I don’t recall you saying anything about your car being remapped – so can I assume you’ve left the electronics alone and just dealt with the exhaust? If so, I’m guessing BHP hasn’t improved but has that 0-60 dash now dropped below 5 seconds?

By the way I’ve recently seen that the S5 is now available with optional 20” alloys. I tried to get my order amended but at this late stage Audi wanted nearly £3,500 :eek: for the pleasure so I guess I’ll be sticking with the standard 19”.
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IMO - the S5 looks better (lower and more aggresive) with 19" alloys once lowered than with 20" from all the photos I've seen.
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IMO - the S5 looks better (lower and more aggresive) with 19" alloys once lowered than with 20" from all the photos I've seen.
I have to agree Ian - in fact a mate saw the car for the first time yesterday and asked what size the wheels were - when I told him they were 19s, he said "They look much bigger" (the car was clean, which makes a difference....!). I like the OEM 20s from an architectural standpoint but don't think they're aesthetically necessary or indeed worth the money Audi are asking. Also, can't even imagine how my spine would suffer with 20s (and is it 30-profile rubber?) on my car as it's set-up at present!
I just emailed Ed in APS earlier - must be the Paddys Day alcohol ! :eek:

Ian, tell him to look after me ;)
...It's amazing what a few pints of guiness can do to your wallet!!

Ed will look after you without my input! I'm sure it'll be worth the drive... if you can coordinate it with an OC meet, you can make the trip worthwhile!

Ian.
By the way I’ve recently seen that the S5 is now available with optional 20” alloys. I tried to get my order amended but at this late stage Audi wanted nearly £3,500 :eek: for the pleasure so I guess I’ll be sticking with the standard 19”.
Thats most likely because they were charging you for the full set of wheels in addition to the wheels already coming with your car. Were they going to give you both sets or just one?
...It's amazing what a few pints of guiness can do to your wallet!!

Ed will look after you without my input! I'm sure it'll be worth the drive... if you can coordinate it with an OC meet, you can make the trip worthwhile!

Ian.
Got my prices - too tempting ! :eek:

I'd have them collected Ian and fitted over here :)
2 minutes on this site has cost me £1600!!!

Hey all,

Well, i'm a new member and within two minutes I have just booked into APS next Weds for Milltek, Springs, Spacers and Remap. You've just cost me £1600 :p

Very informative post and great pics. Thanks! I'll post mine once completed next week.

Cheers

Dan
(sherv)
S5 engine

What I don't understand is why doesn't an ECU remap give you the same 420 HP as in the R8 and RS4. I was told that the engine in these cars is the same as the engine in the S5, the only difference being that the S5 engine is detuned.
The S5 engine is actually a very different block than the R8 and RS4 one of the only similarities is the capacity.......shame as 420bhop would be fun :D
Hi Dan,

Good to speak to you again today and thanks very much for booking in with us, i certainly don't think you'll be disappointed :)

Look forward to meeting you next week.

Regards, Ed
Hey all,

Well, i'm a new member and within two minutes I have just booked into APS next Weds for Milltek, Springs, Spacers and Remap. You've just cost me £1600 :p

Very informative post and great pics. Thanks! I'll post mine once completed next week.

Cheers

Dan
(sherv)
£1600 sounds like a good deal to me for all that - how many extra horseez and torque do you get?
Aps

Hi,

Exact price is £1200 for Milltek Exhaust, H&R Springs, H&R Spacers front & Rear and I am still slightly undecided about the remap (around £500). I haven't had the car long so might leave it for the time being. besides there's a lot of talk about supercharger kits :eek:
Hi SAJ_1982,

Between 18bhp and 20bhp and 15-18lbs.ft of torque. In reality the difference is how the engine responds, much more positively with stronger torque and greater willingness to rev in higher rpm’s too.

These engines do take a time to loosen up nicely, as with all large capacity V engines. Both the R8 and RS4 B7 we dyno tested were a little shy of the stock figures simply because of lack of miles. We've mapped quite a few B7 RS4's and they were very different to how they were with sub 10Kmiles under the belt, they get very much stronger.

HTH,

Regards, Ed
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