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Hi all.

I have been a member here for a few years and I am hoping I can get some support to get my petition to go live. The petition is to ask to reverse the decision to install average speed cameras on a road i use daily.

The reason I want to get this decision reversed is mainly due to the fact that they are being installed to gather revenue rather than cut accidents. The part of road they want to install them is not that bad compared to some other local roads. Sadly due to the fact this is a high volume road they are targeting it.

I contary to belief do support safe driving and the majority of accidents are not down to speed but to driver error / weather.

I also feel average speed cameras are dangerous as your constantly worrying about your speed and not giving you full attention to the road.

Thank you :)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/193575/sponsors/PM1mk4pe9W9OTiQhMVJa
 

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I wish there were those kinds of cameras on our local roads. Yes, it is also about additional revenue. However, they are there to remind people that they need to respect the posted speed limit. I do hate it when other drivers disrespect limits and just mash the pedal without paying attention to their speed. Those same drivers also end up tail-gating other cars who do follow the rule just to intimidate them in going faster.

If people want to drive faster speeds, it is best to take this up with the local traffic authority or Mayor that sets the speed limit. My suggestion is to file a petition to increase it instead of running after the camera. If you follow the rule, there is no need to fear the camera or the people who stand to make a revenue out of it. Besides, if no one is breaking the law, that camera won't be able to justify its existence and it will just be taken down and rendered ineffective.
 

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Is there any evidence that average speed cameras cause more accidents...?

Otherwise I don't really understand what the issue is? Unless you don't think the speed limit should be 50MPH?
 

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Hi all.

I have been a member here for a few years and I am hoping I can get some support to get my petition to go live. The petition is to ask to reverse the decision to install average speed cameras on a road i use daily.

The reason I want to get this decision reversed is mainly due to the fact that they are being installed to gather revenue rather than cut accidents. The part of road they want to install them is not that bad compared to some other local roads. Sadly due to the fact this is a high volume road they are targeting it.

I contary to belief do support safe driving and the majority of accidents are not down to speed but to driver error / weather.

I also feel average speed cameras are dangerous as your constantly worrying about your speed and not giving you full attention to the road.

Thank you :)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/193575/sponsors/PM1mk4pe9W9OTiQhMVJa

I completely disagree with this post and I think it's a little immature to believe cameras are only installed for revenue. Accidents may not always be caused by speed directly but when they happen at speed, it's catastrophic and usually fatal. Trust me, not a day goes by where I don't see a car and lives completely destroyed by the combination of lack of awareness and speed.

There is no better substitute in policing speed limits than an average speed camera, they are just starting to install them over here so let's see how they impact statistics. Currently more accidents are caused by tailgating at high speed and hard braking for flash speed cameras.

If you struggle to maintain an average speed and worry about how fast you're going, maybe you're going too fast?
 

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Plus you get some sweet MPG at 50 with cruise control. Holding your accelerator in the same place or putting cruise control on is hardly distracting. At worse just match the speed of the people around you.
 

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I completely disagree with this post and I think it's a little immature to believe cameras are only installed for revenue. Accidents may not always be caused by speed directly but when they happen at speed, it's catastrophic and usually fatal. Trust me, not a day goes by where I don't see a car and lives completely destroyed by the combination of lack of awareness and speed.

There is no better substitute in policing speed limits than an average speed camera, they are just starting to install them over here so let's see how they impact statistics. Currently more accidents are caused by tailgating at high speed and hard braking for flash speed cameras.

If you struggle to maintain an average speed and worry about how fast you're going, maybe you're going too fast?
Here's a update since the cameras went live:

Well the cameras have been live for around 2 years now and guess what the road is as dangerous as before and accidents have not reduced. Deaths are up!

See following deaths sadly :( the road is not fit for purpose as I stated before. It was not me trying to be selfish when I created the original petition.







There are plenty more examples but I dont think it needs me to go through them all.
 

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Do you think keeping the speed cameras and dropping the speed limit would be effective? Its a genuine question.

We have a road near us which is infamous for high speed accidents and fatalities, the A1307. Its been going on for years and it is tragic. The root cause appears to be stretches of 50 mph and 70 mph and the road passing through villages. A lot of the accidents appear to be on the unlit 70 uneven stretches where drivers (and apparently the county council) appear to think its safe travelling at motorway speeds when there are cars crossing the carriageway from the various country roads and factories. They recently improved a small stretch of the road but honestly, it would have been more cost effective to just reduce the speed limit to a consistent 50.

It really beggars belief how the authorities can put signs up saying the road is dangerous and to slow down, and not accept liability for the accidents through their substantial inactivity. I doubt speed cameras would fix this.
 

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Do you think keeping the speed cameras and dropping the speed limit would be effective? Its a genuine question.

We have a road near us which is infamous for high speed accidents and fatalities, the A1307. Its been going on for years and it is tragic. The root cause appears to be stretches of 50 mph and 70 mph and the road passing through villages. A lot of the accidents appear to be on the unlit 70 uneven stretches where drivers (and apparently the county council) appear to think its safe travelling at motorway speeds when there are cars crossing the carriageway from the various country roads and factories. They recently improved a small stretch of the road but honestly, it would have been more cost effective to just reduce the speed limit to a consistent 50.

It really beggars belief how the authorities can put signs up saying the road is dangerous and to slow down, and not accept liability for the accidents through their substantial inactivity. I doubt speed cameras would fix this.
Its a hard one to judge. The amount of accidents which also happen in the 50mph section make me think not really. The problem is clear. The amount of poor junctions or slip roads and cross overs are far higher than other dual carriage ways which see far less accidents. The issue is for example someone pulls out on you even at 50mph you are going to be hurt and potentially worse (for example a lorry) Yes at 70 the chances are even higher but from reading the reports from fatal crashes etc. It doesn't seem to mention speed and more focuses on driver error such as not looking or restarting on the road etc. The road needs serious money invested into it to make it safe. People need to sit down and look at the problem areas and not just shove a camera in and say that's it all done as this is not the solution. Yes it may or may not help. Average speed brings a new danger which I see day after day. People all drive so close together. This never used to happen.

In our region they just finished a bypass about a year ago. Its a fantastic dual carriageway with no poor junctions or cross overs. The accident rate appears to be much lower than the other road in question with only the odd few accidents happening at a round about mid way through. This seems to catch people off guard and causes them to drive through it (even tho it is lit and has bumps on the road oh and not to mention signs warning you)

Driver awareness to the surroundings and poor road layout are my strong belief into what's going wrong.

I apologise if you disagree :)
 
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