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S5 - KW Coilovers – Variant 2 Initial Review

A few of you will be aware Doubledoom and I had the KW variant 2 coilovers fitted to our S5s by the guys at APS today, the first to have them fitted in the UK apparently. After a 140 mile trip back home here are my initial thoughts:

Although I had the car lowered 25mm with the H&R springs about a month ago, this was always a temporary measure until the KWs were available for the S5. The H&Rs gave the car that much sought after lowered look and even better handling characteristics but there was always the compromise of a harsh ride when compared to stock. For me this was tolerable but as soon as something came available that could offer the same look but with the ride comfort of the stock set up I would have it. Enter the KWs.

First the look. The ride height is adjustable on the V2s and I opted for a 25mm drop at the front and 20mm at the rear to try and give a dropped front appearance and more aggressive look. The initial set up doesn’t look too different from the 25mm drop all round I had with the H&Rs but over time the springs will bed in and any fine adjustments will be more meaningful, so for the next couple of months this is the ride height I’ll keep. Adjustment of ride height just requires the wheels off to enable access. The rebound was left in the default comfort set up. Adjusting this is a little more involved and requires the units to be detached at the top.

An initial test drive around the industrial estate near to APS took me over a few minor pot holes and bumps and these were despatched without any jolts or thuds in the car at all. The H&Rs definitely reminded you they were a stiffer set up when travelling over such surfaces. The real test, however would be the drive home.

A variety of road conditions were encountered including the following: a series of regular thick lines painted across the road on an approach to roundabouts, cats eyes between lanes, railway crossing, minor pot holes and sleeping policemen. Without exception, the drive over all these surfaces at normal driving speeds was smooth and uncompromised and the default comfort setting of the rebound certainly lived up to its description and all my expectations (and hopes).

Although the trip home was blighted with torrential rain from time to time, the handling characteristics of the car were just as good as with the H&Rs ie the car felt as if it was painted to the road. Cornering at speed offered little detectable body roll.

In summary, the KWs offer exactly what I had hoped for. The aggressive lowered look which can be adjusted to suit relatively easily and the comfort of the stock suspension set up. Don’t get me wrong, the H&Rs are a very cost effective means of getting the desired lowering and the compromise to ride comfort isn’t too bad. However the KWs do give the comfort factor back, albeit at a price.

I’m sure Doubledoom will add his own review when he gets chance. Comparing notes following our respective test drives I’m sure he too will have similarly favourable comments.

I’ll give things a few hundred miles to bed in and then update the review. Hopefully we’ll have some better weather between now and then!

Finally, thanks to Ed and the guys at APS for providing first class service once again.

A few images from the day posted below. It wasn't the weather for outside photos so will post some of the car i) If it ever stops raining in the UK and ii) I've got the car clean (again!).


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Suspension part Suspension Auto part Yellow Coil spring
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Thanks Manor...

Great to see you guys again over at APS... After DD returned the favour of a 'demo-ride' with the KW V2s, I'm already convinced and have booked in with Ess5 on July 25th for the same. Still interested in your next report though! :)

... funny, those lines leading up to roundabouts were really annoying with the H&R springs, so I'm glad the KWs seem to address the harshness of the H&Rs. :cool:

Was good to meet Mad too for the first time... he's now got the sexiest car in the North East!

PS. Manor your car looked great today, and really bloody clean compared to mine! ...put me to shame!
Great to see you guys again over at APS...

PS. Manor your car looked great today, and really bloody clean compared to mine! ...put me to shame!

Good to see you again too, Ian.

When it doesn't rain on the way to or during a meet you will see my car clean. You ain't seen nothing yet :D:D:D
I love my v2's been riding on them for a little over a month now, they are simply amazing i would suggest them to anyone!

Heres a crappy pic of my current stance...

(Pic was taken with my phone, i gotta break out the d50 for some sweet shots)
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How much were the coilovers guys ? Sounds like the solution I've been waiting for. Roads where I live are terrible which is why I held off on the lowering.. Great write up too, thanks for that.
Hi Blade, KV2s are approx £1400. I'll be having mine fitted on 25th, along with Ianhp1. Wanna join us? ;)
Hi Blade, KV2s are approx £1400. I'll be having mine fitted on 25th, along with Ianhp1. Wanna join us? ;)
Thanks Ess, not sure if I can make the 25th, we have a family bash on the 26th and a houseload of people..................but I'll see if I can sort something ;)
Thanks Ess, not sure if I can make the 25th, we have a family bash on the 26th and a houseload of people..................but I'll see if I can sort something ;)
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Crap excuse! ...I've got a rally driving day on the 26th, a gig to play in the evening and a house full of guests too!!! C'mon, the more the merrier... at this rate I'll have to talk to Ess all day! ;)
KW KV2s - what a relief!

Chaps, had the KV2s fitted yesterday and can only echo the comments posted by Manor, DD and Matty.

I had two gripes with the previous (H&R -25mm springs, standard shocks). the first was the low-speed ride, which was uncomfortable to say the least. Every road imperfection was transmitted through to the cabin, not as acceptable feedback but in a harsh manner. Certain familiar roads with poor surfaces were anticipated with dread and then traversed with discomfort. We wanted a more 'sporting' feel but this was perhaps taking it too far....

My second concern was more serious - on fast A-roads/motorways, encountering a depression or series of bumps at speed would seriously unsettle the car. Not only would the car settle too far on the first depression, but the springs were still in dialogue with the dampers about how to handle it ('What did you do that for? I wasn't ready, you bastard!') at the point at which the next challenge came up, which neither were then prepared for. In my estimation, a car with the stock setup would typically be about 25% quicker on a hard cross-country charge due to the lack of confidence causing a reduction in pace. Not dangerous, per se, but things were clearly not as they should be Down Below.

However..... The KV2s have banished all of these issues. Sure, the ride is still firm, but the type of 'firm' that we accept and embrace as part of what we were trying to achieve in tie-ing our cars down more effectively. The 'crashing' has gone, with the result in fact, that the perceived quality of the car has risen again as all the sharp shocks are no longer being transmitted into the cabin and challenging the trim-panel fit...!

And at speed on the open road, the difference is astounding. I've made the same journey to/from the office pretty much every day for the past six years, the last 5 months in the S, hence I'm familiar with most inches of the road serfaces (and how the previous setup dealt, or failed to deal with them). Driving into the office this morning was a revelation - instinctively I felt that I was able to maintain a higher average, particularly on a fast 3 mile section of A-road which is less than perfectly surfaced. You're conscious of the suspension immediately addressing the different elements of the surface and being prepared to respond to the next. There's no more 'floating' as the springs send the car skyward whilst the shocks have a bit of a breather and decide what they're going to do next, and the sudden, jarring depressions that on occasion, caused momentary winding or my head to touch the roof (I'm serious!) have been banished.

In short - it's a fantastic transformation.

But the acid test is this. I've developed two means to measure the effectiveness (or otherwise) of my car's suspension set-up - these are the 'BeerGut-ometer' and the 'Moob-ometer'. These work thus: hitting a bump at speed, the car would compress into the dip and my gut and my Moobs would fly uncomfortably upward. I'd mentally register the amount of movement, before the car floated upwards and said gut and Moobs would reverse direction (variance again noted). It's uncomfortable but has proved a useful method/metric.

Today, I can promise faithfully, hand on heart (or left Moob, in fact) that there was almost imperceptible gut travel and, I'm pretty sure, absolutely zero Moob agitation. At this rate, I'll be able to start leaving the training bra at home.

Go KW!
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LOL Ess!! Excellent write-up. Loved the gut and moob-ometer!

It must have been serious if even your head hits the roof... that's a long way to travel!!! ;)

Right... can't wait for next week now. :D
It must have been serious if even your head hits the roof... that's a long way to travel!!! ;)
Right... can't wait for next week now. :D
And I'm not telling you which head! What day are you having them done? I think you'll be very impressed!
Good review Ess.

I guess any hopes of selling on my used H&Rs are now well and truly gone :D
Doh! Sorry mate, I guess so.....

But then again, not everyone's experience with the springs was as 'extreme' as mine (must be something to do with the Hampshire roads). And for a third of the cost of the KWs, you get the lowered stance, and reduced body roll, so it's not all bad.

Hows that? Balance redressed?
The H&Rs were fine on smooth roads but the minute you went rural you felt it. Often that meant the bottom of the car felt it as well. Since having the KWs fitted I have only gone aground whilst using the Riverside car park in Norwich on the up ramps between the floors. Even then it was just a slight graze.

Comfort wise they are superb. The H&Rs are the budget option. The KWs are the more expensive option and you get what you pay for. However, it is probably worth checking the H&Rs first as they are lower cost and if you can get one of the second hand sets now going it is a very cost efficient upgrade.
Ess... Friday Mate! :D
The H&Rs were fine on smooth roads but the minute you went rural you felt it.
I guess any hopes of selling on my used H&Rs are now well and truly gone :D

I wouldn't say that, Manor. A5 owners wanting to install the 25mm H&R Sport springs will be pleasantly surprised with how comfortable the ride is compared to stock. I have them on my car with 20" wheels and the ride over bumpy roads is amazingly comfortable.

To put it into perspective, I recently rode in ccompton's S5 with the same H&R 25mm springs and immediately noticed how much harsher his ride was over bumps compared to my car. So, I think anyone with an A5 who wants to install the H&R 25mm springs will be pleased. Now the 35mm springs are a different story. I've read a few posts where those are quite harsh, even on an A5.

Ess, great write-up about the coilovers! I might consider these down the road if I feel the need to replace my shocks.
Well up to now guys i have not experienced any problems with my 25mm H and R Springs but again i dont use my car everyday and the roads i do use are pretty decent.

Up to now i couldnt recommend the 25mm H and R Springs enough especially for the price,i will be using my car more when the football season starts to watch my son all over the country and only then i will be able to give them a better test before deciding if need to change to KW's sometime but at the minute the ride in my S5 is comfortable enough for me with the springs and 15mm spacers so if anyone is having doubts going for the cheaper option i would say well worth a look at H and R before you dig deep.
Coilovers - update 1 week on.

Still delighted with the set-up and finally feel that I've regained control over the car. The coilovers are so much more confidence-inspiring, effectively 'shrinking' the car and making it far more 'chuckable'.

Just as Nathan at APS said, the car has indeed settled on its new suspension with the effect that the rear certainly won't need winding down as I'd originally intended (it's settled at approx. the same ride-height as with the H & R springs) with the front arches nestling just above the tyre. Could perhaps go down 5mm or so at the front to balance the look but as I've only done about 500 miles or so since the KWs were fitted, there could yet be more settling - I hope only at the front hereon in.....!

Happy all round!
You showboater you!

Hey Manor, just read your write-up in Audi Driver. Your prose is captivating and don't worry too much about the picture.

Seriously tho', great write-up. One question though - aren't the magazine staff supposed to write the articles? Seems whenever they run a few pages on an APS activities, the punters end up providing all the copy! Hope you were happy with your fee!
Hey Manor, just read your write-up in Audi Driver. Your prose is captivating and don't worry too much about the picture.

Seriously tho', great write-up. One question though - aren't the magazine staff supposed to write the articles? Seems whenever they run a few pages on an APS activities, the punters end up providing all the copy! Hope you were happy with your fee!
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Great article... many pages and pictures too... Must have been a slow-news month! ;)

It was good to see a familiar face, car and registration. Nicely written too. I notice too that they couldn't even be bothered to photograph the car and printed your pictures! I can see I'm in the wrong business - I have to actually do my own work!

Another great victory for the A5OC!!!
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