.. and if you modify your 3.0TDI with ECU you can get something around 300-320BHP and 580-650NM. That means that it would keep up with the S5 V8 and at the same time you would think that TDI is much faster thanks to massive amount of torque and quite strong pull. Still, would go for the S5.
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Fair point, but we're talking endurance racers and the benefit of the diesel there is - guess what? - saving fuel, hence fewer pit stops and the competitive edge that can bring.
And also agree re. the second comment - the A5/S5, whilst showing some improvement on previous generations of Audi offerings, won't ever make headlines as the world's sporiest drive (I still gain more driving pleasure from the handling and sheer chuckability of Her TT 2.0 than I do the S5).
But the point, as has been made countless times before, is that if you really care about driving (as opposed to transportation), you'll have a petrol-engined motor in your garage (whether you have to postpone weddings, sell the grandma, take a less exotoc holiday, whatever, to afford to run one). It's that simple.
Diesel engines exist to satisfy an economy requirement. They serve no other purpose.
Are we all agreed now?
No. Not really. I care about driving. I just didnt want to pay to run an S5. That being the case the 3.0TDI is the next best performing unit behind it. Are you suggesting that I should have opted for a slower petrol engine in the car (3.2V6 or 2.0TFSI) in order to truly call myself someone who cares about driving?But the point, as has been made countless times before, is that if you really care about driving (as opposed to transportation), you'll have a petrol-engined motor in your garage (whether you have to postpone weddings, sell the grandma, take a less exotoc holiday, whatever, to afford to run one). It's that simple.
Diesel engines exist to satisfy an economy requirement. They serve no other purpose.
Are we all agreed now?
You could level the same argument at yourself for buying an S5/A5 in the first place. You've said yourself that the TT (and I would agree having owned a 2.0TFSI TT) is more of a drivers car, as is a host of other vehicles that you can buy for S5 money.
If I really wanted to put my car above other things that I spend my money on and make the sacrifices that you describe, I would NOT have bought an A5 in the first place. In its place would be something with less under-steer, more communicative steering and a more dynamic chassis.
Some S5 drivers need to stop deluding themselves (as are some 3.0TDI drivers who say theirs is the better car to drive). It's not a Ferrari. It's not even a "drivers car" it's a very nice looking GT, that drives comfortably and is well put together.
To argue that youre not a REAL driver if you have a diesel is ironic as a REAL driver such as you describe wouldn't own an A5/S5 in the first place.
You should try driving A5 2.0T sometime
I think you'll find it to be a lot more chuckable than your S5 as well. The B8 chassis is actually quite good. The problem is that the 4.2FSI and 3.0TDI engines are very heavy and putting all that extra weight over the front axle creates a lot of understeer. Put one of those engines in the TT and it will feel clumsy as well.
On that note, I don't really see the appeal of the 3.0TDI. The 2.0T (211 hp version) is nearly just as fast (Audi quotes 6.2 seconds) and I don't see fuel consumption being much greater either. It's also cheaper and handles better.
Your argument is inconsistent and obviously biased given that you have a 2.0T. Audi quotes 6.5 seconds for the 2.0T Quattro - S-Tronic (facelift) and 5.8 for the 3.0TDI - S-TronicYou should try driving A5 2.0T sometime
The B8 chassis is actually quite good. The problem is that the 4.2FSI and 3.0TDI engines are very heavy and putting all that extra weight over the front axle creates a lot of understeer. Put one of those engines in the TT and it will feel clumsy as well.
On that note, I don't really see the appeal of the 3.0TDI. The 2.0T (211 hp version) is nearly just as fast (Audi quotes 6.2 seconds) and I don't see fuel consumption being much greater either. It's also cheaper and handles better.
If the 0.8 seconds difference in 0-60 times is "Night & Day" why is it that a difference of 0.7 "is nearly just as fast"? (I would agree that it is but you just disagreed with yourself by saying the above)
And FYI the 1.8TFSI and 2.0TFSI model suffer understeer just as much. The engines may be lighter but its as much to do with position as it is weight. Ive driven the 1.8TFSI recently and "chuckable as a TT" it most certainly ain't!
In case anyone misunderstands where I'm coming from. I am not fighting some blind crusade for the 3.0TDI. I think that 3.0TDI owners who think their cars are faster/better than the S5 are kidding themselves.
I also think that any A5 owner out there thinks they are driving a sports car (whether it has an S or RS badge on it) is also kidding themselves. It's a nice car but there are better "drivers" cars out there for the money. And, hey, that's OK we don't all want to be track gods and most of us obviously take how the car looks into account and are therefore prepared to make trade-offs in other areas.
We all made our choices for reasons that suit ourselves. It's ludicrous to try to argue that our own choice is the best or better. Audi know what they are doing, if that was really the case the A5 would only be available to buy with one engine choice.
Got to love these threads
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