On another note, whilst researching this I found that there are pins on the glovebox AMI connector for FBAS (video) although they are not used on the iPod AMI cable it would be easy for Audi to support video via AMI with a software update and new AMI cables.
Bluetooth Audio via MMI/AMI *Finally Possible*
Bluetooth Audio via MMI/AMI *Finally Possible (on Full MMI 3G Only)*
OK - So I've spoken a bit about trying to get some kind of decent bluetooth audio support on the MMI/AMI system:
A5OC - Streaming Audio Possible...here's how
A5OC - relocate Ipod Cable
However this weekend I finally had the brainwave which made it possible:
YouTube - Audi MMI 3G Bluetooth Audio Solution (via Modified iPod AMI Cable)
This uses the regular iPod AMI Cable and any iPod accessory out there to make any iPod speaker dock system bluetooth capable (lots of them but get a decent one since it will be doing digital to analogue conversion), the trick is to modify the AMI cable so that the MMI/AMI system thinks the 3.5mm Stereo AMI Cable is connected otherwise it will try to talk to the iPod in Apple language.
This is better than using the regular 3.5mm Stereo AMI Cable with a similar bluetooth receiver accessory because it is cleaner and you don't have to worry about providing power or charging batteries in the receiver.
The modified iPod AMI Cable will still work directly with an iPod (albeit as an external audio input only, no AMI control) but a switch could be added to enable the cable to function in both modes - essentially a compatibility switch which would select whether a real iPod is connected (fluent in Apple language required for AMI control) or a dummy iPod is connected (e.g. bluetooth receiver, not fluent in Apple language).
I just wanted to put this out there to see what people think
Note: The ugly thing connected to the iPod in the video is just a bluetooth transmitter since the iPod Classic doesn't have builtin bluetooth, it wouldn't be required on any other bluetooth capable device (e.g. iPod Touch, iPhone or even non-Apple device).
OK - So I've spoken a bit about trying to get some kind of decent bluetooth audio support on the MMI/AMI system:
A5OC - Streaming Audio Possible...here's how
A5OC - relocate Ipod Cable
However this weekend I finally had the brainwave which made it possible:
YouTube - Audi MMI 3G Bluetooth Audio Solution (via Modified iPod AMI Cable)
This uses the regular iPod AMI Cable and any iPod accessory out there to make any iPod speaker dock system bluetooth capable (lots of them but get a decent one since it will be doing digital to analogue conversion), the trick is to modify the AMI cable so that the MMI/AMI system thinks the 3.5mm Stereo AMI Cable is connected otherwise it will try to talk to the iPod in Apple language.
This is better than using the regular 3.5mm Stereo AMI Cable with a similar bluetooth receiver accessory because it is cleaner and you don't have to worry about providing power or charging batteries in the receiver.
The modified iPod AMI Cable will still work directly with an iPod (albeit as an external audio input only, no AMI control) but a switch could be added to enable the cable to function in both modes - essentially a compatibility switch which would select whether a real iPod is connected (fluent in Apple language required for AMI control) or a dummy iPod is connected (e.g. bluetooth receiver, not fluent in Apple language).
I just wanted to put this out there to see what people think
Note: The ugly thing connected to the iPod in the video is just a bluetooth transmitter since the iPod Classic doesn't have builtin bluetooth, it wouldn't be required on any other bluetooth capable device (e.g. iPod Touch, iPhone or even non-Apple device).
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This is pretty awesome. I would love to give this a go myself
Give it a go - so long as you are careful the mods on the cable are completely reversible.This is pretty awesome. I would love to give this a go myself
Thats very good of you man. I appreciate that writing a guide for something like this isn't the easiest thing to do. It is a very cool hack though
As requested, here is a short guide to modifying the iPod AMI Cable:
(click pictures for larger versions)
1) The hardest part is opening up the AMI connector, I found that twisting a nylon bojo/prying tool at the side of the connector released at least one retaining clip allowing you to work your way around to carefully release the others.
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2) Once the cap is fully unclipped, the plastic body simply slides off.
3) Now you can open up the connector, the two pieces of metal casing easily separate to reveal the wiring.
4) On the left you can see the "detection" resistor loop (resistor contained within the black tubing), along with power supply wires, iPod/USB data wires in the middle and audio wires on the right.
5) Disconnect all six iPod/USB data wires in the middle by either cutting them or removing them from the connector - to remove them from the connector you will need to use something like a needle to press on the pins to release them; either way ensure they are disconnected and are safely insulated from one another to prevent iPod damage.
It is necessary to disconnect these wires so that the MMI/AMI system isn't confused by having an iPod (or accessory) connected but detection resistor telling it otherwise and vice versa to prevent the iPod from getting confused.
6) Finally the resistor loop needs some attention, this resistor needs to be changed from 18.7KΩ (iPod) to 1KΩ (3.5mm stereo) since the resistance indicates to the MMI/AMI system which type of cable is connected - simply cut out the existing resistor and connect in the new resistor (e.g. solder it in), or you could remove the loop pins from the connector and connect the new resistor directly to the pins and reinsert pins.
7) That's it! Tuck all the wires back into the metal casing and reverse the cable disassembly to put/clip everything back together.
(click pictures for larger versions)
1) The hardest part is opening up the AMI connector, I found that twisting a nylon bojo/prying tool at the side of the connector released at least one retaining clip allowing you to work your way around to carefully release the others.
2) Once the cap is fully unclipped, the plastic body simply slides off.
3) Now you can open up the connector, the two pieces of metal casing easily separate to reveal the wiring.
4) On the left you can see the "detection" resistor loop (resistor contained within the black tubing), along with power supply wires, iPod/USB data wires in the middle and audio wires on the right.
5) Disconnect all six iPod/USB data wires in the middle by either cutting them or removing them from the connector - to remove them from the connector you will need to use something like a needle to press on the pins to release them; either way ensure they are disconnected and are safely insulated from one another to prevent iPod damage.
It is necessary to disconnect these wires so that the MMI/AMI system isn't confused by having an iPod (or accessory) connected but detection resistor telling it otherwise and vice versa to prevent the iPod from getting confused.
6) Finally the resistor loop needs some attention, this resistor needs to be changed from 18.7KΩ (iPod) to 1KΩ (3.5mm stereo) since the resistance indicates to the MMI/AMI system which type of cable is connected - simply cut out the existing resistor and connect in the new resistor (e.g. solder it in), or you could remove the loop pins from the connector and connect the new resistor directly to the pins and reinsert pins.
7) That's it! Tuck all the wires back into the metal casing and reverse the cable disassembly to put/clip everything back together.
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If anybody would like to send me their iPod AMI cable or pay for a new one I would be happy to modify it for them and send back
Thx for the guide I've got a spare ipod cable to give this a go. Will pickup the extra stuff I need next time i'm in maplin
I've got a spare ipod cable to give this a go. Will pickup the extra stuff I need next time i'm in maplin
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