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Anyone using Shell V power on a tuned petrol engine?

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You may want to grab a brew or beer, then read this. :)

Shell, last month (April) 2021) revised it's blend of V power with Dynaflex giving more cleaning abilities and 4% more power.

Great, that sounds good! Right? Erm, maybe, I don't have any proof yet, but bare with me.

I have a tuned S5 3.0 V6 Supercharged. It was remapped 2 years ago on Shell V power. Tuners recommend using Tesco Momentum 99 when remapping as it gives the best results on reducing timing pulls due to it being souped up with Ethanol whereas VPower was other additives to increase the octane.

I believe VPower to be slightly superior over Momentum mainly due to its cleaning etc, where as Momentum is said to get you those extra few bhps on the dyno!?

Anyway, I'm not getting into 'that' debate shell Vs Tesco. This is different, I think.

I've been filling with Vpower for the past month or so, sometimes with the odd fill of Tesco. I didn't really see a difference in performance, maybe Tesco had a 'sharper' edge to it than Vpower. I also found mpg seemed slightly lower on Tesco.

BUT!

Since last month, I have found my S5 to running sweet and seemed like it was pulling harder. Now I work from home, real everyday driving isn't comparable as driving the same route to and from work, so it may be placebo as I'm not driving as much, so just enjoying driving. But like I say it seemed to be driving very well like someone had tinkered with my ECU map.

I was having a blast when all of a sudden, the power went like it does when traction control kicks in, but I now always turn my traction control to sport (Half off) since the S5's power will spin all 4 wheels. So now when driving spiritedly, I do a quick cockpit check/change to exhaust flaps fully open, Traction to Sport, Auto start stop off, and Gearbox in sport manual. :)

Going back to the power loss. It started on the gear change into 3rd with WOT. Pressed the throttle a few times, nothing, then the power came back to normal. It did it once more on the drive and this was after driving for around an hour. No CEL lights or anything. Checking with VCDS gave P0089 Valve for fuel metering - implausible signal, P2279 Leak in air intake system - intermittent, P310B Fuel pressure outside Specification on low pressure side! Bowlocks!? I've read from the guys in the US that this is common on stage 2 and it's the tank fuel pump not keeping up with demand. Also going back to stock tune, the fuel pressure wasn't an issue as the demand is lower. But the Low pressure fuel pump should regulate at 5 bar, mine went to 7.3 bar!? so I would have thought a high pressure would be ok as it would still be supplying fuel? Anyway, according to the guys who have had this, the fuel pressure drops, then over pumps giving the 7.3 bar. The solution was to replace the tank fuel pump, but I'm not sure. My fuel system appears to be running fine and the fact the pump can do 7.3bar leads me to think it can supply enough fuel?

Still with me? In the US E85 (85% Ethanol) fuel can be used and it's equivalent octane rating is the same as race fuel, up at 105 (not sure if this is US rating). Also when running on with Ethanol the mpg goes down and a higher volume of fuel is used so the fuel pumps are working harder, hence the high pressure fuel pump upgrades like Autotech's HPFP piston upgrade.

Back to me. I went out again in the car and it pulled power again under WOT in 2nd gear. The fuel was V power and low level in the tank. It doesn't cut power every time. And no fault logs in VCDS since the first time it did this power cut.

I've been researching and pricing up the tank fuel pump as last resort to cure this problem. But last week, I refilled with Tesco and not filled with Tesco for the past 2 maybe 3 fills. Been on a decent drive, no power cuts, no fuel pressure codes in VCDS, but the power doesn't feel as sharp as the shell stuff now!?

Only time will tell and if I refill again with shell to see if the performance improves and if I get power cuts again!? I will obviously update.

But it's only with the guys in the US talking about needing to upgrade the fuel pump to flow more fuel which is what high ethanol fuels need, I looked at Shell's website and they revised their V power blend in April which is when I got this fault. The car has been as I said at stage 2 for 2 years with no problems!

Also September this year the UK government has announced ALL unleaded fuels are to contain 10% ethanol in the fuels (E10). It is E5 (5%0 at the moment. So will this aafect us with Ethanol demanding more volume? If this is true why doesn't the Tesco 99 give me fuel cuts it it's octane is upped by use of ethanol.

This is my car saga at the moment and not conclusive if it is the fuel blend or an actual issue with my car. But I do want to try Shell again as the 4% extra power, I think was there on my car!

I'm going for a little rolling road run to check my car's performance/health in a week or 2, so don't want another issue as before I had a charge cooler issue when mapping my car.

Fingers crossed it was a glitch. I'll continue with my 'testing' of Tesco Momentum and Shell.

If any of you can add to my findings or suspicions, please do let me know! :)
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Interesting reading. I'm only stage 1 and do the same as Mr Sayek. Use momentum most of the time and the occasional fuel cleaner.
I have used vpower recently (in fact it's in the car now) but I've had no issues. Maybe it's just not requiring as much only being stage 1? In any case as I'm in for another mapping session soon I'll probably stick to momentum to be safe.
Dave I'm sure Mike will be able to give you some answers when he does his thing and maybe even find out what's happening.
Not long now. 馃榿
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On the other hand though Dave, would it be better to use the vpower and have your map tweaked to suit it? Might be worth asking Jason/Mike for their opinion as I'm sure if it's better they'll know.

Regarding fuel system cleaner I'm not too opinionated on a particular brand but I used Nitrox hot shot last time.
Dave just going back to the airbox mod, I might have got a little carried away with mine...

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Barely call it a 'box' anymore
Ha ha! That's pretty much an open cone induction kit now! BUT, probably better as the filter is still shielded by 3/4 of the air box from the engine! Bet you can connect the secondary air induction pipe through the big hole, dead easy!?
I've got to tell you, its one of the best mods I've done to the car, it still looks totally stock from above, the cold side is totally open and doesn't seem to suffer from any heat soak from the engine, and I can hear the supercharger now but it's not ridiculously loud and I can still use the stock filter.
The best bit though... It didn't cost a penny.
Have you replaced the intake pipe? I'm sure I saw that you had the IE intake?
Yes I found a second hand IE intake pipe from an early kit. It didn't fit to the stock airbox but after trimming back slightly it went in like a glove. Changing that added some sound and I tried with no box at all just to see what an open intake was like (filter still attached) it was too much for me but taking out 1 side of the airbox is just right and shouldn't be affected by hot air.

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So Dave, intake air temps. Have you seen any really high temps out on the road? What's your opinion on the charge cooler upgrade now?
Ah that's interesting Dave. So you are piggybacking another charge cooler presumably on the top side of the crash bar?
I'm sure that would do the trick.
Any idea where you'll source some hoses from or will you just wait until it arrives and have a play?
Looking forward to seeing how this turns out. 馃憤
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