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post #31 of 63 Old 8th December 2014, 06:14 AM
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Lmao hey I have to do whatever I can to feel good about living in the us these days this place has gone to pot I'm half tempted to move to canada
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All very compelling... But you could get shot filling it up!

Or even worse, bump into Bill Cosby in a dark deserted petrol station

The US equivalent of Savile et al !

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Or even worse, bump into Bill Cosby in a dark deserted petrol station

The US equivalent of Savile et al !
Don't threaten me with a good time lol
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Just thought I'd post and let you know that prices are more expensive here in Ireland for petrol by about 7 cent.

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Jeez, have you guys not had any of the recent reductions we've had or is that the reduced price and you were previously paying even more?

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Is that 1.359 EUR ? Thats cheaper than UK I think! According to google that's 1.07 GBP 😯
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Fair point, it does say cents

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Yip its in euro's


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Petrol:1.36 Diesel:1.29


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Petrol:1.07 Diesel:1.02
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Like the Dartford River crossing, Diesel was going to be free once upon a time as it was an unwanted by-product of extracting natural gas. The Tax Man put pay to that little idea though!

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That's basically 1.60 a gallon above
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1.15 for a litre of premium diesel in costco Liverpool yesterday.

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Interesting comparison from the BBC here. Looks like in the US you're paying about 0.45p/litre.

In Venezuela you'd pay just 0.02p/litre...

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Filled up the car yesterday at Tescos and the cheap stuff was 1.11/litre. Doesnt compare to the US but its a hell of a lot better than the 1.30+/litre we were paying a few months back!

My wife and I rented a Mustang back in September for our honeymoon and travelled from San Fran to Las Vegas stopping off in a few places including LA. We totalled about 1100 miles which cost us a whopping.......... 70!! and that was averaging low 20's MPG. Imagine how much that would have cost in the UK!

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Just looked at that BBC fuel price calculator.... Does it really cost 0.02/Litre in Venezuela?

It would cost 1.30 to fill up the S5!!!! HAHA

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not all good in Venezuela apparently..

Crime is a pervasive issue across Venezuela. Venezuela was ranked the most insecure nation in the world by Gallup in 2013
Venezuela is currently among the countries with the highest murder rates in the world
Corruption in Venezuela is high by world standards, the Corruption Perceptions Index 2010 ranking placed Venezuela at number 164, out of 178 ranked countries.

According to some sources Venezuela's corruption includes widespread corruption in the police force. Many victims are afraid to report crimes to the police because many officers are involved with criminals and may bring even more harm to the victims.

and that's before you get into drug and human trafficking, or kidnapping which is a national pastime too.

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Venezuela sounds appealing...


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OK, so digging up an old thread, but I was just wondering why prices at the pump in the UK have consistently crept up ever since they bottomed out back in January?
Brent Crude did take a bit of a bounce off a low of just over $50/barrel and "leapt" back to around $63/barrel by late Feb, but since then it's been sliding back down and now stands at just over $55/barrel, yet pump prices have continued heading upwards. Here's a link to the Nasdaq website:
Crude Oil Brent Price: Latest Price & Chart for Crude Oil Brent - NASDAQ.com

Looking at the AA fuel report here makes quite shocking reading as on the list of 29 European countries (plus USA included for comparison), we're fourth-highest for unleaded and highest (by some margin) for diesel. Seems the press are more interested in other things right now (can't imagine what!), so seems the petrochemical industry think they can get away with fleecing the UK motorist yet again...

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Basically it's because they're robbing bastards!
A couple of months ago it was 1.04 here and now it's 1.12

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Diesel is much cheaper to produce because it come out much lower down the cracking column. Petrol is much more volitile which means it has a much lower condensing point than diesel, resulting in the need for a longer period in the cracking cooling tower thus more expense to produce it.

Diesel is more exspenive in the UK because the Govt tax the shit out of it.

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Diesel is much cheaper to produce because it come out much lower down the cracking column. Petrol is much more volitile which means it has a much lower condensing point than diesel, resulting in the need for a longer period in the cracking cooling tower thus more expense to produce it.

Diesel is more exspenive in the UK because the Govt tax the shit out of it.
To be fair, it's not the tax (at least not alone) that causes the discrepancy but simple supply and demand.

According to this link the output of a barrel of crude produces 37% petrol to 25% diesel. That coupled with the popularity of diesel in the UK accounts for the main discrepancy in price.

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To be fair, it's not the tax (at least not alone) that causes the discrepancy but simple supply and demand.

According to this link the output of a barrel of crude produces 37% petrol to 25% diesel. That coupled with the popularity of diesel in the UK accounts for the main discrepancy in price.
Fair enough, that and the EU are pushing new laws on punishing Deisel car drivers by increasing the road tax on them because of the NOx gasses they produce

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To be fair, it's not the tax (at least not alone) that causes the discrepancy but simple supply and demand.

According to this link the output of a barrel of crude produces 37% petrol to 25% diesel. That coupled with the popularity of diesel in the UK accounts for the main discrepancy in price.
But that doesn't explain why there are only 7 out of 29 other European countries where diesel is also more expensive than unleaded, like the UK. Also the difference in price is much smaller than the UK, where diesel is 6.3ppl more.

Others with diesel more expensive are:
Czech Republic (0.19ppl)
Romania (1.17ppl)
Poland (1.26ppl)
Estonia (1.47ppl)
Cyprus (2.24ppl)
Bulgaria (4.13ppl)
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Switzerland (4.90 ppl)

This can't be solely down to either the 37%/25% petrol/diesel ratio or the demand in the uk, where diesel cars are still less than 50% of sales.
Once again, the UK motorist is categorically being taken for a ride and treated as a cash cow by the fuel industry and central government.
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The only thing that made "them" take any notice in recent years was the protest in 2000. Interesting to note the price per litre versus the oil price at that time too.


"By 2000, tax accounted for 81.5% of the total cost of unleaded petrol, up from 72.8% in 1993.[2] Fuel prices in the UK had risen from being amongst the cheapest in Europe to being the most expensive in the same time frame.[2] The protesters said that higher transport costs in the UK were making it difficult for haulage industry to remain competitive.[5] The worldwide price of oil had increased from $10 to $30 a barrel,[6] the highest level in 10 years.[7] Drivers in the UK were now paying an average of 80 pence a litre for unleaded and 80.8p for diesel.[7] The government had already abandoned the fuel tax escalator in early 2000.[8]"

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Just to be clear, it's not taxation that is the difference in price of petrol vs. diesel at the pump, fuel duty is the same for both, see here. Diesels account for about a third of vehicles on the road, but I suspect they account for more miles specifically because they are more efficient.

How does that compare with countries above? Without the CO2 breaks of diesel (I.e. Less popular, so would lead to less diesel vehicles on the road) then they'd probably account for less fuel usage and would be at parity with (or below) petrol at the pump.

I seem to recall that in the teeth of the recession when demand for diesel dropped (less HGVs on the road, less business miles in cars) diesel did drop to parity with petrol.

As far as I can see it's simple supply and demand. Whether the level of taxation is fair is another matter.
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My main gripe, in addition to the points above, relate to the recent increases. From the start of January to now the price of oil has gone from approx 52 to 49 per barrel (according to Nasdaq). In the same period, in our area, standard unleaded has risen 7.5%.
On the basis the fuel price goes up the second the fuel companies get a whiff of oil price increases it goes up, why the **** does petrol / diesel creep up week on week currently?
Government won't do anything about it for obvious reasons (despite the looming election) so roll on the next protest
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Definitely agree that any increases are passed on a lot quicker than any reductions!
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Definitely agree that any increases are passed on a lot quicker than any reductions!
Right Shrek, that's two of us on board. How about a road blockade courtesy of a convoy of A/S/RS5's to make them take note
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dont know why you are thinking of protesting mr bairn..surely when ms sturgeon is running the country through the back door you will be getting free petrol notb to go with your free prescriptions and free university places....
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dont know why you are thinking of protesting mr bairn..surely when ms sturgeon is running the country through the back door you will be getting free petrol notb to go with your free prescriptions and free university places....
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