[Patrick - PES]

PES Supercharger Group buy for Audi FSI 4.2
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PES is announcing a group buy for the G4 supercharger system fitting 4.2 FSI engines found in many Audi, VW, Spyker and others .

We will be taking deposits to retain your commitment from December 8th 2010 until January 31st 2011 .

Details on your particular car can be found at pes-tuning.com or by e-mailing info@pes-tuning.com .

Normal retail for the G4 FSI system is $12,995 .

Group buy incentive discount levels are as follows

Level_______Number of Systems_______Group Buy Pricing
1__________5-10___________________$10,995
2__________11-16__________________$9,995
3__________16-up__________________$8,995

[rnlabas]

Patrick - This is a great notion, and I am VERY interested, but actually I think it's a tad premature. We are all following Spinner's installation closely, and are frankly impressed. But as we have noted, and even he agrees - the very empirical data we are craving is not yet on the table and may not be for a bit of time due to weather. I, for one am very anxious to see just how the MRC tune will combine with your kit to make the "numbers" we've all been dying for. That said, will you be integrating the MRC tune into this group buy for us on this side of the pond? Is it already included in your Group Buy? If we wait for the "results" will it affect our ability to become a part of the deal, if there's an expiration date? and, btw, why have just a two month sale period? Wouldn't it actually behoove you more to extend the group buy longer, providing for more opportunity based on exposure. Perhaps you could offer a sort of subscription for early adopters that realize later, a credit with PES (or even some other supplier/vendors) as the number of folks who sign up grow, (you have at least the list of those who have expressed interest as your initial population) to create an incentive to join, but not an early loss leader for those who want it now.

just a few thoughts ...

[soldier0829]

Patrick,

What kind of 1/4 mile and 0-60 times can we expect from your product when installed on a stock S5?

[Patrick - PES]

Originally Posted by rnlabas

Patrick - This is a great notion......, ..........just a few thoughts ...

Pm sent

[Patrick - PES]

Originally Posted by soldier0829

Patrick,

What kind of 1/4 mile and 0-60 times can we expect from your product when installed on a stock S5?

I do not know . You can use calculators and work out some estimates in a perfect world but that's all guesses. Bottom line is that NONE of our customers ,so far want to take there cars to the 1/4 mile track. They all daily drive there cars or use them as weekend warriors.

I've talked to a few of my customers who were practicing drag launches and decided quickly that the stock clutch is just not suited for dumping or slipping off the line (once engaged there is no holding issue but off the line its a nightmare).

As soon as we see some 1/4 mile numbers ( not just one, a few to get a good average) I will post it on the forums as well as our site.

If you would like to take a ride in one of the S5's with a supercharger on it I can set up a meeting. Be warned , you wont want to leave without taking a kit home with you though, lol

If any one would like to contact a S5 ,RS4, A6, A8 Q7 or R8 PES FSI supercharger owner please contact me at patrick@pes-tuning.com or 267-597-3838 .

I hope every one knows that its not just the 5 or 6 guys on this forum that have our kits.

[JKP-S5]

Hello all:

It's been a long time since I've posted on this topic. I think I was one of the first to post about putting the PES supercharger on my S5. You can go back and re-read my posts, but it transformed the car into something that is actually exciting and a f'n blast to drive and that's as it is configured today at 5.0psi boost. With that said, I'm in process of increasing the boost on the kit to 7.0+ in order to squeeze every bit out of the engine - and I can't wait. Anyway, back to what I was saying, I left the thread because of the nonsense and trash that was thrown about the kit and its performance --life is too short and my car is too enjoyable to continually talk in circles. With that, I can't believe everyone is still talking about 1/4 mile times etc...The fact is I've reported my dyno and others have posted theirs, but still it's all about the 1/4 mile.

Come on guys (and gals), really? A very reasonably priced kit with excellent performance is available TODAY, yet everyone keeps waiting and waiting for some magical 1/4 mile time -- how many times do you drag the 1/4 mile daily? Not to be too cynical, but I bet a dollar that once a 1/4 time is posted, there will be some question about it, or that some other higher priced kit has the promise of running faster - enjoy the vaporware.

Anyway, I was asked by Tony at PES to 1/4 mile my car, and I began making
preparation to do this and help end the nonsense. I did some trial launches in preparation with guy who's very familiar with drag racing and who dyno'd my car (Kenny Tran, jotechracing - Google him), and the car is really not built to do this. After a few attempts, he found that it's possible to get a good launch, but it is hit or miss and hard on the car. I guess launching a 2ton, 4-wheel drive car with 450+hp isn't what Audi had in mind when they designed the clutch for the car. Don't panic! This is only problem when attempting to drop the clutch our heavy-ass car, but once the clutch is engaged in 1st gear you can run all the other gears WITHOUT ANY slippage. This is obviously why I can continue to drive and run the crap out of my car daily without any issues.

If the opportunity arises I'll try the track, but I'm not really anxious
to do this for simple fear of smoking my clutch. I'm sure many will view this as
an excuse or a even a cop-out and that's fine. But while you are doing it, I'll be driving my Supercharged S5 with a big fat smile on my face.

Here's how much I believe in the kit. I'll make my car (and my time) available to anyone who wants to meet in Dallas to seriously consider the kit. If you don't flip when you drive the car, I'll buy lunch.

Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas,
JKP

[rnlabas]

First, JKP - thanks for chiming back in. Frankly, I LIKE hearing from satisfied folk with positive things to say, as we often get too much of the contrary, since those folks tend to be more proactive to tell others. So, thanks for your positive spin. On the subject of 1/4 mile times, I somewhat agree with you - certainly most of us do not drag race 1/4 miles often, but in the world of OBJECTIVE metrics, this just happens to be a common reference. It's really hard to objectively assess everyone's SUBJECTIVE opinion on "feel", "rush", "big smiles", etc. Believe me, I GET that, but I just cannot tell what puts a grin on your face compared to mine. 1/4 mile times, as bad as they reflect typical driving behavior of most of us, DO put the performance in a mutually understood perspective though.

Also, I am WELL-AWARE that these cars are NOT built for constant launches with the stock clutch. That's why a lot of folks opt for much stronger clutches when going past 450 hp with this car (see Spinner's build WITH his PES kit). And while everyone's bitching, this is why Audi has opted for ONLY the DSG in the RS5. Another $6-10K for a new, stronger clutch for those 'occasional" launches is not enough return for investment. But back to the objective metrics - dynos require too much 'correction factors' to be baseline objective. Real world measurements are much more relatable (not reliable, but that too).

So, how about some very well organized rolling charges, say from 10-60, 30-100, etc in a few gears? Comparing them to a stock car (including them in the testing) could accomplish very much the same cred that 1/4 miles would. It probably represents 80-90% of what most of us want to relate to with our consideration of ANY S/C application - and, certainly be easier on any clutch too.

Some folks WILL want to capitalize on their ability to put all this power down out of the hole, and for them, bully, go spend the extra for the right clutch to do that job. But the rest of us just want to have some real world data that we can relate to besides the big smiles - which btw, I AM envious of. ;-). If I get near Dallas anytime (my executive HQ is there), I WILL try to connect up just for the fun and chat.

Thanks again for your note, and Happy (and safe) Holidays to you and ALL the forum !

[Spinner]

Roger, when I get my car back (likely to be Tuesday) I'll endeavor to do the speed runs on my racelogic box asap and will post the results including graphs and 10mph intervals for different gears. If I get a S owner to meet me over the Xmas break I'll also do some side by side video runs.

This will obviously all be weather dependant so fingers crossed.

Re the 1/4 mile runs we're planning for Jan 16th but reading what JKP's written maybe it won't be viable on the stock clutch but I won't comment on that until I've spoken to Doug at MRC and felt it for myself. Doug is attempting to source a clutch but as yet there's no further news in that matter. Will keep you all informed of progress.

[JKP-S5]

Roger:
Look me up anytime -- I'm generally in town. And, thanks for the note.
I guess what I need to do is befriend some other S5 owners near me so I can get some good comparisons. With that said, I understand the hang up on dynos and correction factors, but what's the issue with posting HP at the wheels. Why wouldn't this be a "real" number that everyone could compare against? After all, isn't the car's HP/lb over half the battle, or is it just because saying 450HP sounds better than saying 360Hp at the wheels? When I put the smaller 7psi-pulley on, I'm hoping to get over 400 at the wheels. Kenny at Jotech (my "in-town" go to guy and who's driven my car several times) believes another 40HPw would really make the car "perfect." And, with what I understand from the first two guys (Spinner being one of the two) who have installed the smaller 7psi-pulley, the kit has delivered that and more. I'll know soon enough once Tony makes it to Dallas. Anyway, I plan on running another dyno (at the wheels) as soon I'm tuned up and ready to go.
Spinner:
We found that if you launched at about 3000-3300 rpm you could get the clutch to engage if you also did a slight "stutter" on the accelerator. I'm sure there are a thousand techniques, but they are all going to eat up the clock, which is bad. Anyway, look forward to hearing about your car once you get it back Tuesday.
HO HO HO!
James

[Spinner]

Thanks JKP, my intial thought is that I'll be having a go at some very soft launches and depending on how they go then working my way up to see what the clutch can handle. Will let you know how I get on.

[JKP-S5]

You do realize that with the 5psi-pulley, the kit boosts the stock HP over 35%? That's a nice gain out-of-box.

[woo_D]

is this too late for applying?
and how many people applied so far?

[Patrick - PES]

Originally Posted by woo_D

is this too late for applying?
and how many people applied so far?

Hi,
The group buy is over. We are extending a sale till the end of this month. Give me a call 267-597-3838 x13 or e-mail Patrick@PES-Tuning.com

Thanks, Patrick