[LSD4me]

Hello all,

So i sprung for the VAGCOM cable and its the coolest thing since sliced bread.

My heart was racing but in the end i didnt screw anything up...i hope

I ended up enabling the Audi Drive Select features and opted for the default to be selections via the MMI.

I can successfully alter the behavior for "Engine" and "Steering" via the MMI with options for "Comfort/Auto/Dynamic"

It all works...the questions are:

1) What makes the steering so stiff when choosing dynamic?

2) Why wasn't this enabled from the factory if my car has this capability? Seems as though it should have been enabled via the MMI before...Why wasn't it? Does my car not have all the features? (I dont have the buttons on the console...)

Thanks!

[Hoppy]

Cool. You must be well pleased. I've only just found out that this was even possible and now desperately want it activating on my own car!

[toilet_duck]

Car companies want us to pay through our noses to get those fancy options.
Yes, it's just a matter of a few buttons... but they want us to sacrifice little bunnies for those.

[JonnieB]

Originally Posted by LSD4me

Hello all,

So i sprung for the VAGCOM cable and its the coolest thing since sliced bread.

My heart was racing but in the end i didnt screw anything up...i hope

I ended up enabling the Audi Drive Select features and opted for the default to be selections via the MMI.

I can successfully alter the behavior for "Engine" and "Steering" via the MMI with options for "Comfort/Auto/Dynamic"

It all works...the questions are:

1) What makes the steering so stiff when choosing dynamic?

2) Why wasn't this enabled from the factory if my car has this capability? Seems as though it should have been enabled via the MMI before...Why wasn't it? Does my car not have all the features? (I dont have the buttons on the console...)

Thanks!

Does you car have 'Audi Drive Select' in the first place? Does changing the settings via mmi actually do anything?

Cheers
JB

[Evil Derboy]

Originally Posted by JonnieB

Does you car have 'Audi Drive Select' in the first place? Does changing the settings via mmi actually do anything?

Cheers
JB

Yes. The steering can only be adjusted if you have servotronic. 1.8Ts don't have that as standard. So you would only be able to change throttle response (unless your car had servotronic specced as an optional extra).

[JonnieB]

Originally Posted by Evil Derboy

Yes. The steering can only be adjusted if you have servotronic. 1.8Ts don't have that as standard. So you would only be able to change throttle response (unless your car had servotronic specced as an optional extra).

thats interesting Derboy, so I can adjust throttle response? what can you do to the throttle response, how does it change it and is it worth doing?

Thanks

JB

[toilet_duck]

A member on another forum has done it. Changed his "Drive Select" through VAGCOM, and he didn't tick that option when purchasing.

The thing is, you have to VAGCOM your car every time you change the settings.

[llBen]

Originally Posted by toilet_duck

A member on another forum has done it. Changed his "Drive Select" through VAGCOM, and he didn't tick that option when purchasing.

The thing is, you have to VAGCOM your car every time you change the settings.

That's not true O_o

When you spec Drive Select, usually alongside the dynamic steering or suspension options, you get 4 extra buttons on your dash board's multimedia panel. Those are Comfort, Dynamic, Individual and Automatic. When pressing Comfort, Dynamic and Automatic you are setting the steering/suspension/engine to the same mode, and when pressing Individual you are setting them each to different settings in the MMI (eg, Suspension and Steering could be Comfort while Engine is Dynamic).

You can use VCDS to enable "Charisma" (the code name for Drive Select) in the MMI. You then force Individual mode to always be on using VCDS, and voila you are able to change between Comfort, Dynamic and Auto using the MMI when the vehicle is stationary.

As Derboy points out, you need Servotronic steering if you want to affect the stiffness using this... same thing goes with the suspension, it won't change anything without Damper control. HOWEVER, all engines can be switched into Dynamic mode!

For all intents and purposes, every car can be given a Sport mode for their engine with this method.

Now, who's gonna retrofit the buttons to make this an even more complete mod?

[JonnieB]

Originally Posted by iwBen

That's not true O_o

When you spec Drive Select, usually alongside the dynamic steering or suspension options, you get 4 extra buttons on your dash board's multimedia panel. Those are Comfort, Dynamic, Individual and Automatic. When pressing Comfort, Dynamic and Automatic you are setting the steering/suspension/engine to the same mode, and when pressing Individual you are setting them each to different settings in the MMI (eg, Suspension and Steering could be Comfort while Engine is Dynamic).

You can use VCDS to enable "Charisma" (the code name for Drive Select) in the MMI. You then force Individual mode to always be on using VCDS, and voila you are able to change between Comfort, Dynamic and Auto using the MMI when the vehicle is stationary.

As Derboy points out, you need Servotronic steering if you want to affect the stiffness using this... same thing goes with the suspension, it won't change anything without Damper control. HOWEVER, all engines can be switched into Dynamic mode!

For all intents and purposes, every car can be given a Sport mode for their engine with this method.

Now, who's gonna retrofit the buttons to make this an even more complete mod?

ha ha, yes thisw ould be a challenge. and can you adjust throttle response without this installed option?

rgds
JB

[fred44nl]

Originally Posted by iwBen

Now, who's gonna retrofit the buttons to make this an even more complete mod?

this has been done succesfully.
I'm sure it can be found in the net

[llBen]

Originally Posted by JonnieB

ha ha, yes thisw ould be a challenge. and can you adjust throttle response without this installed option?

rgds
JB

Yeah that's what I was saying JB, you can change the throttle response with the MMI Drive Select menu if you use VCDS to enable 'Charisma' and force Individual mode on permanently

[Evil Derboy]

Originally Posted by JonnieB

thats interesting Derboy, so I can adjust throttle response? what can you do to the throttle response, how does it change it and is it worth doing?

Thanks

JB

Basically its like having one of these: Pedal Box from Diesel Tuning UK

Changing default Audi Drive Select mode: It has been reported (Endlich! Codierungen Drive Select ;-) : Audi A4 8K and VCDS coding of Audi Drive Select default setting) that by adjusting all these four adaptation channels, one can change the default Audi Drive Select mode from auto to any of the other three modes: 09 – Cent. Elect. - Security Access - 16 - Adaptation - 10 - Channels 63, 64, 65 and 66. Set the channels (all of them) to one of these numbers: 1 = Comfort, 2 = Auto (default), 3 = Dynamic, 4 = Individual. Thanks to schneidfried!

Limited Audi Drive Select individual mode also for cars without Audi Drive Select: C99 reports at A5OC.com (VAG COM to change Audi Drive Select default mode - here... - A5_OC) that even cars without Audi Drive Select buttons can be coded to adjust engine response and automatic gear-box, as well as Servotronic steering, like an ADS (without dynamic steering or dynamic dampening) would. (See also AudiZine.com: DIY Audi Individual Drive Select - VAGCOM) First 09 - Central Electric is coded to "Charisma engine only" byte 7, bit 5, change 0 to 1 (you may also have to change byte 7 bit 2 as well), byte 8, bit 2, change 0 to 1 and byte 17, bit 7, change 0 to 1. In byte 8 bit 3, 4 and 5 from 0 to 1 will respectively switch steering, suspension and sports differential modes on in addition to the engine mode, although the latter two modes are undoubtedly of no use without such hardware in the car. Byte 7, bit 4 is apparently for active steering, again probably of use only if such hardware is in the car. Then 09 - Central Electric, Security Access - 16, Adaptation - 10, change channels 63 to 66 to value 4 (individual mode). (See here for more discussion on these codes: http://www.a5oc.com/forums/showthrea...68/index2.html)

Getting the Audi Drive Select individual option appear in CAR menu (MMI cars only) you may need to access the hidden menu to enable "Charisma" (the code-name for Audi Drive Select), see way above in this article on how to enable and access the hidden menu in MMI 2G and MMI 3G. MMI 2G: In hidden menu menu go to Diag settings, Car menus maske, check Charisma and go down to Accept changes. MMI 3G: In hidden menu, go to "car", select “cardevicelist”, scroll down and check Charisma. Go back, and still in the "car" hidden menu, select “carmenuoperation”. Scroll down to Charisma, change from 0 to 1. On both MMIs then reset the MMI. For cars without MMI (e.g. with radio Concert/Symphony) and thus without the Audi Drive Select individual menu it is probably worth trying setting Comfort or Dynamic modes directly (in the channels 63-66) using the VAG-COM coding above in "Changing default Audi Drive Select mode" to see if there is change in engine, steering and auto-transmission.

[LSD4me]

So i have confirmed that my A5 comes standard with servotronic so that explains why the steering gets stiff when placed in dynamic mode...I have verified that servotronic exists by validating the option code...(1N3)

I have also confirmed that i get a "Charisma" error code upon a scan and that is due to the switches not being installed...You can safely disregard that code..

I have also confirmed that my differential is torque based and not the sport differential which explains why those bits were not enabled by default...I left the off...

As far as the last option involved (suspension) i dont think i have the adjustable suspension either...however...i do have the sports package but im not sure if the suspension referred to under the ADS is the same one...i need to investigate this more...the bits for this was also disabled so im assuming i dont...

[Master]

Originally Posted by JonnieB

thats interesting Derboy, so I can adjust throttle response? what can you do to the throttle response, how does it change it and is it worth doing?

Thanks

JB

It gives more gas quicker when in dynamic, and is more "rough" on/off throttle. Kinda hard to explain, but you feel the difference when in Dynamic. Allows you to be quicker on/off throttle giving it a more sporty feel.

If you have an automatic it will gear 1 up than it usually would (locking out 6th gear on the tiptronic) making the acceleration even more aggressive!

Magnetic damper control stiffens up the shock absorbers a lot, making it quite a rough ride, but more fun in the corners

[S4 EVV]

Originally Posted by Evil Derboy

Yes. The steering can only be adjusted if you have servotronic. 1.8Ts don't have that as standard. So you would only be able to change throttle response (unless your car had servotronic specced as an optional extra).

Does it work on the 3.0TDI quattro's?

[Mulski]

Originally Posted by S4 EVV

Does it work on the 3.0TDI quattro's?

All V6 engines have servotronic, so yes.

Cheers

[S4 EVV]

Great, ive got a fully licensed vagcom VDCS cable etc, is there a definitive 'walk through' anywhere on the forum

[Mulski]

Originally Posted by S4 EVV

Great, ive got a fully licensed vagcom VDCS cable etc, is there a definitive 'walk through' anywhere on the forum

Here you go

VAG COM to change Audi Drive Select default mode - here...

Without wanting to be condescending, read through carefully before making the changes.

Cheers

[ExhaustNote]

Originally Posted by iwBen

Now, who's gonna retrofit the buttons to make this an even more complete mod?

I've retrofitted the buttons in my S5. Here's the wiring diagram and some photos.

[Evil Derboy]

Originally Posted by S4 EVV

Great, ive got a fully licensed vagcom VDCS cable etc, is there a definitive 'walk through' anywhere on the forum

I posted it further up this thread.

[JonnieB]

I will have to try this at some point in conjunction with Bluefin thats on the car.

So what setting is best to set it at Dynamic/individual??

JB

[tboooe]

Originally Posted by ExhaustNote

I've retrofitted the buttons in my S5. Here's the wiring diagram and some photos.

I just want to say exhaustnote is my s5 mod hero!

[audi_s5]

Exhaust Note, I have purchased parts to complete install as you have provided inspiration to finally get rid of carissma switch error.

Any DIY in addition to wiring diagram?

[JonnieB]

Originally Posted by Evil Derboy

Yes. The steering can only be adjusted if you have servotronic. 1.8Ts don't have that as standard. So you would only be able to change throttle response (unless your car had servotronic specced as an optional extra).

So reading the article for my car with just Concert radio am I only to try the following:-

Then 09 - Central Electric, Security Access - 16, Adaptation - 10, change channels 63 to 66 to value 4 (individual mode)
For cars without MMI (e.g. with radio Concert/Symphony) and thus without the Audi Drive Select individual menu it is probably worth trying setting Comfort or Dynamic modes directly (in the channels 63-66) using the VAG-COM coding above in "Changing default Audi Drive Select mode" to see if there is change in engine, steering and auto-transmission.

a little confused!

JB

[llBen]

Aha, so since you don't have the MMI menu for Drive Select, you can set your engine to be in Dynamic mode by default using VCDS.

Since you don't have a sport differential, damper control or dynamic/servotronic steering, the only down side is that you won't be able to turn it on and off using the MMI - so keep an eye on your MPG!

In channels 63-66 you need to set it to mode... 3? I think? It should come up with a tooltip to verify, but you can set it to start as Auto/Comfort/Dynamic/Individual by default - for cars without Drive Select it is set to Auto by default (if I remember correctly).

[ExhaustNote]

Originally Posted by audi_s5

Exhaust Note, I have purchased parts to complete install as you have provided inspiration to finally get rid of carissma switch error.

Any DIY in addition to wiring diagram?

No, I haven't created one but send me a PM and I can walk you through it. Just one thing to note, the wire you need to tap to get it to work is REALLY hard to get to unless you have small hands. And even then, they'll get really scratched up.

[JonnieB]

Originally Posted by iwBen

Aha, so since you don't have the MMI menu for Drive Select, you can set your engine to be in Dynamic mode by default using VCDS.

Since you don't have a sport differential, damper control or dynamic/servotronic steering, the only down side is that you won't be able to turn it on and off using the MMI - so keep an eye on your MPG!

In channels 63-66 you need to set it to mode... 3? I think? It should come up with a tooltip to verify, but you can set it to start as Auto/Comfort/Dynamic/Individual by default - for cars without Drive Select it is set to Auto by default (if I remember correctly).

Thanks Ben!

Will try this at the weekend in conjunction with Bluefin - see how it performs.

[JonnieB]

Is it worth doing, do you notice a big difference? (Other than in mpg!).improved bhp?

Isnt it quite amazing what these cars can do and finding little things out like this you never knew was possible.

[andres]

Can anyone post which mods you need to make if you only have a radio Concert (no MMI). Which bytes to code?

[llBen]

I think the change in throttle response is nice, yeah (depends whether you like a bit of a harsh, sporty drive!)

Andres, in the Central Electronics module, enter the security key, then go to adaption and read channels 63-66, changing them to the desired default (again I'm not totally sure which order they are in but its 1-4 with Auto, Comfort, Dynamic and Individual - without the MMI menu to change Individual you need to set yours to Dynamic!)

Hope that helps!