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Turn up the bass ....

Hi all,

Thinking bout doing something about that rather disappointing (would almost use the word crappy) B&O sound in my S5. Really a case of more is NOT better choice by Audi: despite the fact that it comprises 14 speakers and an amp I think it has no volume and lacks in depth in sound.

So was first of all thinking about purchasing the Alpine SPC speaker sets specifically made for Audi (also cause I thought they are reasonably priced) but was informed by a local installation company that it basically only makes sense when you install the X701D head unit as well particularly when you buy the SPC-200au set that includes an Amp. I was not planning on buying the head unit as I already have a Tech High package on my car so that would not make sense to me nor to my wallet (apart from the fact that I am not charmed by the looks of this head unit).
See http://www.config.alpine.co.uk/!/audi/a5

Does anyone have the Alpine speakerset(s) and/or Amp installed without the head unit? Does it make a difference and what do I have to take into consideration doing so (if possible)?

If the story of the installer is however true what do all you experts advice in terms of 'low' cost sound improvements, say max 1000 quid?

Thanks guys, curious what answers will get back here!

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To be honest, the B&O is not the best thing about an A5 - I've just been experiencing the A6 (C6) BOSE sound and its night and day difference. I, like yourself, was very disappointed with the B&O offering, the Virtual Bass doesn't really cut it.

For your monies you can probably replace the amp and the majority of the speakers with higher end units, and drop a small bass unit somewhere and it will greatly increase your aurul experience.


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Dropping in a pioneer sub instead of the stock B&O one with no extra trickery/amp, just spliced into the stock wiring, made a world of difference. Cost about 80 all in with the dynamat.

For a bigger difference/budget though, I've got no idea :-(

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Which sub did you go with? Been thinking about doing this for a while now but I haven't even pulled off the rear deck to look at the sub yet.
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Perhaps I shouldn't find it surprising that different persons can have such different perceptions to the B&O system in the A5, and I do note it's not the first time people have complained about the B&O in the B8 series.

Before I did the following I found the bass was lacking, but worse, at medium and high volumes the highs and mids were painful to my ears. I was disappointed until I fiddled with the settings:

I found turning up the ( Gala/whatever the name of the B&O DSP is/surround effect?) as well as turning up the bass and setting the sound to Driver Oriented made a big difference and I can't say I think this system sounds poor. Deep lush bass with plenty of punch and clarity regardless of volume.

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Thanks for the reactions guys!

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Dropping in a pioneer sub(
Hi @Eamonn - you have a model/type number for the Sub you have?

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Before I did the following I found the bass was lacking, but worse, at medium and high volumes the highs and mids were painful to my ears. I was disappointed until I fiddled with the settings:

I found turning up the ( Gala/whatever the name of the B&O DSP is/surround effect?) as well as turning up the bass and setting the sound to Driver Oriented made a big difference and I can't say I think this system sounds poor. Deep lush bass with plenty of punch and clarity regardless of volume.
Thanks @Mr.wreckless - that is worth a shot and will try!
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TS-W261D4 is what I used, just popped it in as is really, fiddly to get bolted down though

P.S: I actually accidentally received two when I ordered mine, so I have another for sale.
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Hi @Eamonn - you have a model/type number for the Sub you have?



Thanks @Mr.wreckless - that is worth a shot and will try!
Cool, fiddle with the settings and report back your findings!

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Hi Eamonn, pm'd you about the sub.
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Thanks again everyone for your suggestions, hints , tips and even products offered. I will report back once I have done some proper tests performed with the settings: if that is not up to my standards then I will think about first upgrading the B&O subwoofer before even taking more drastic and more expensive measures ... Decided I prefer a stage 1 ECU/DSG remap over an expensive sound-system after all

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The Pioneer sounded like a good idea so the sub and dynamat will be here tomorrow - already removed the rear deck and the old sub. Wasn't as bad as I though it would be although I was bit nervous about cracking the speaker grills but, they came out with a little gentle persuasion.
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The Pioneer sounded like a good idea so the sub and dynamat will be here tomorrow - already removed the rear deck and the old sub. Wasn't as bad as I though it would be although I was bit nervous about cracking the speaker grills but, they came out with a little gentle persuasion.
Any chance you could tell me how to remove the boot linings to access the parcel shelf from inside the boot/from underneath? I need to know as I'm hoping to mount an air tank there soon.

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Any chance you could tell me how to remove the boot linings to access the parcel shelf from inside the boot/from underneath? I need to know as I'm hoping to mount an air tank there soon.

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There isn't any lining underneath the parcel shelf?

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Any chance you could tell me how to remove the boot linings to access the parcel shelf from inside the boot/from underneath? I need to know as I'm hoping to mount an air tank there soon.

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Do you mean the side panels inside the trunk? Like Eamonn said, there is no lining on the underside of the parcel shelf.


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TS-W261D4 is what I used, just popped it in as is really, fiddly to get bolted down though

P.S: I actually accidentally received two when I ordered mine, so I have another for sale.
i have this one as well, sounds good with no amp but after a while i wanted more haha, so i bought a amp and put the sub in a sealed box. Much louder and deeper bass now!
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i have this one as well, sounds good with no amp but after a while i wanted more haha, so i bought a amp and put the sub in a sealed box. Much louder and deeper bass now!
I kinda want to do this now... Can you send me details of the amp/box you got? I'm struggling to find one.

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Thanks to those who answered my question! I was a bit quick to jump the gun and appreciate the sincerity rather than just a raft of hostilities

Indeed there is no liner underneath the parcel shelf, disassembly of the top side might be necessary to get the tank fastened but we'll see. Removal of the side trim might come in handy as well.

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I installed the sub yesterday and, while the bass was improved, it's still not as heavy as I'd like it. There was one really huge improvement though - the freakin' rattle from the rear deck is completely gone. About 95% of all of the rattles in my car just disappeared. The Dynamat probably has more to do with it than the sub though. I can't produce a rattle from the OEM B&O sub with it out of the car. That was worth the effort alone imho. And I still have 30 square feet of Dynamat left since I ordered a box of it on Amazon for $60 and it turned out to be 35 square feet. I can do the rest of the car and still have some left over.

There's only two little rattles left to fix - one from the glove box and one from the driver's side door.

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I'm doing mine this weekend, pioneer sub purchased from Eamonn, can't wait to get rid of the rattles
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Eamonn could you please tell did your Pioneer speaker was straight P&P with genuine B&O sub ?? I know it will require some work fitting but according to B&O amp it will work fine ?
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Eamonn could you please tell did your Pioneer speaker was straight P&P with genuine B&O sub ?? I know it will require some work fitting but according to B&O amp it will work fine ?
The stock amp has enough power to drive the Pioneer Sub, no problem. Just remember to switch the polarity of the sub when you hook it up. The B&O System was designed with a downward firing sub and you're installing it facing upward. If you hook it up with the same polarity it will be 180 degrees out of phase. It makes a very noticeable difference.
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The stock amp has enough power to drive the Pioneer Sub, no problem. Just remember to switch the polarity of the sub when you hook it up. The B&O System was designed with a downward firing sub and you're installing it facing upward. If you hook it up with the same polarity it will be 180 degrees out of phase. It makes a very noticeable difference.
Wait what? I didn't reverse mine and it's been plenty nice so far. Are you saying I should swap it around?

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You should. It made a big difference in mine.

Just edited to say that you won't damage anything by swapping the polarity - all it does is change the phase from 0 to 180 degrees i.e when the cone moves out and when it moves in relative to the other speakers in your system. If you don't notice a difference, all you have to do is switch it back.

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Eek, I have the standard Amp not the B&O Amp, will the standard Amp still run the new Pioneer sub??
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don't suppose you have a pic of this installed? does the sub stick out into the rear space thus causing somewhat of an obstruction? does it now use the empty space for bass instead of its own small enclosure meaning if i have stuff in the back i would lose bass?

the B&O seems to sound nice but seems to lack low bass, at least i think thats what its missing, i'll run my sound test audio files on it in a few days.

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Looks like this from the trunk - stick in to the trunk by 4 1/2 inches

I'm in the process of making a nice spacer so that I can mount the sub upside down like the original. There's plenty of space between the rear deck and the and liner once you pull out the the stock B&O sub - maybe about 2-3". This way the sub would only stick in to the trunk about 2" but then I'd have to install a protective screen over the sub to protect it from damage. Not sure it's worth it but I feel like trying just for shits and giggles

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thanks for the pic. that does look pretty meaty. i think i'd also be heading the shits and giggles route with the spacer, or maybe even a shallower sub with a spacer to minimise the sticky-outyness as much as possible.

but i'm guessing the improvement in sound makes it worth the hassle? or are you just fully committed now anyway

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I thought about making the spacer to work with the sub facing upwards but top side of the deck isn't flat and there is steep rise at the front. It just makes it really tricky to make a perfect fit. The bottom is, for the most part, flat so it just makes for an easier fit.

I wasn't very impressed with the sound improvement at first but that's because I forgot about the phase difference when mounting the sub in the reverse direction. Once I switched the polarity of the sub it really came alive. Now the bass thumps pretty nicely, although I'm sure an enclosure would improve it immensely. I don't mind the space the sub takes up now but i really don't want a huge enclosure in the trunk. The sound is very nice as is - nice mid-range and highs and now there is plenty of bass for my tastes. So I'm just going to mess with the mounting and see what I can come up with - I'm perfectly happy with the power and sound of the system as it is right now.
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