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MMI 3G navigation 6.22.4 and firmware updates - currently 2016

Links to the latest versions of firmware and map update (with activator)

Firmware:
Linkcrypt.ws // Key-Captcha

Mega firmware:
https://mega.nz/#F!BdV1FADa!M35If02OSTILODgcBLVvvw

The firmware package currently contains versions:

0031_3
0206_3
0253
0257_5

There is 0257_6 available, and the package will be updated to this version (replacing 0257_5) after I've got the map uploaded. _6 is not necessary to run the maps and I gather it is only a small update compared to _5 if you're already there. There is unlikely to be any further firmware update for 3G from Audi.

2016 maps version 6.22.4

https://mega.nz/#F!sc0gUIoQ!uX28vrlUnmYPT5RFj2btZA

Update instruction guide attached (pdf) from 2015 - nothing changes apart from the map version information

PLEASE NOTE - THESE ARE FOR EUROPE, NOT ROW OR NA

I recommend using JDownloader to grab the links and WinRAR for extracting the archives when finished downloading.
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Hi Adrian,

Are you able to advise if these will work for 3G Plus MMI?

Also, would you be able to advise the firmware versions that are linked so that we know whether we need to update those or not. Eg, my firmware were updated in Dec 2015, and could be the latest already.

I haven't read the attachment yet, so apologies if the answers to above are already addressed in it.

And thanks for sharing.

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I'm pretty sure these are 3G only. The map downloads are optimised for to fit on 32GB SD cards and usually have some directories relating to 3G+ files removed. Quite often its some of the LIT3GP directories. Also the activator for 2016 maps for 3G+ is not widely available.
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I'm pretty sure these are 3G only. The map downloads are optimised for to fit on 32GB SD cards and usually have some directories relating to 3G+ files removed. Quite often its some of the LIT3GP directories. Also the activator for 2016 maps for 3G+ is not widely available.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I shall watch this space!


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Hi Adrian,

Are you able to advise if these will work for 3G Plus MMI?

Also, would you be able to advise the firmware versions that are linked so that we know whether we need to update those or not. Eg, my firmware were updated in Dec 2015, and could be the latest already.

I haven't read the attachment yet, so apologies if the answers to above are already addressed in it.

And thanks for sharing.
Map will work on 3GP, but the activator is paid for 2016.
The free version is only for 2015 (carson)

Map will fit on 32GB SD Hama formatted in FAT32

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I've updated the OP to include the firmware levels included - this will be updated as mentioned, once the map file is done.

This thread will only cover 3G - 3GP I have no knowledge of at all, since I don't have it. I'm happy if there's discussion of options and if anyone has access to the firmware, instructions for updating, and details of reasonably priced/free activation for 2016 versions for 3GP then crack on, either in this thread or start a new one and I'll sticky it

Similarly 3G Basic/BNav let's keep separate as it gets confusing!

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I've updated the OP to include the firmware levels included - this will be updated as mentioned, once the map file is done.

This thread will only cover 3G - 3GP I have no knowledge of at all, since I don't have it. I'm happy if there's discussion of options and if anyone has access to the firmware, instructions for updating, and details of reasonably priced/free activation for 2016 versions for 3GP then crack on, either in this thread or start a new one and I'll sticky it

Similarly 3G Basic/BNav let's keep separate as it gets confusing!
Ok found the thread for the 2016 maps

still have a couple of questions which I hope someone can help me (a newbie) with, they are as follows:

I assume that this will work for my AudiA5 2010 2.0 TDI

Software version: HNav_EU_K0206_3_D1

Nav.database version: 8R0060884R ECE 5.11.7

to be on the safe side I think I'm going to download the Firmware files again and then the 2016 maps once the link is available

So my final question is in respect to unzipped the files. Do I just drop each of the folders onto the SD card (ie Audi MMI 3G HDD 2015.part01) or do I need to copy the files over at the lower folder level (ie 8R0060884CH and Activation_3GHi_2015_6.20.4)?

I would like to personally thanks both Adrian and Congo for all the effort put into this as from what I can tell its save a lot of people some serious dosh :-)

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You have to put on the SD the files that are in the archive.
Usually they are 2 to 5 folders with names [1],[2],[3],[MU9307],[MU9308] and one file "metainfo2.txt". For the activator is the same but there is only one folder called FSC and one file "metainfo2.txt".
Use general purpose SD cards up to class 10, do not use Mac to white the cards. It might work for the software upgrade but it wont work for the map.
If your map version is older that 2015 reported as 8R0051884CH (6.20.4 2015) you will need to delete the NAV partition first. (Found this on the internet https://cloud.mail.ru/public/LPgx/3yppZ6MFE could help)
Keep in mind that the process will take some time. Around 1 hour for one software update.
Here is the duration's of the operations for the MAP install. Total time for the MAP ~ 3 hours, can be 2.5h if you are upgateing from 2015-2016
GDB - 18min [2gb]
GDB2 - 9min [970mb]
LABEL - 0min [2kb]
LIT - 18min [2gb]
LIT2 - 18min [2gb]
LIT3 - 5min [585mb]
SDS - 2min [210mb]
TMC - 0min [6mb]
XAC - 18min [2gb]
XAC2 - 12min [1.26gb]
CTY - 18min [2gb]
CTY2 - 18min [2gb]
CTY3 - 2min [180m]
PIT - 0min [7mb]
TER - 18min [2gb]
TER2 - 2min [204mb]
PKG - 0min
ECE - 0min
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@congo

Thanks for the information :-) Ok so the first hurdle I need to overcome is to write the files to SD on a PC, as I only have MAC's (iMac, Macbook Air) Do you know if I will get the same problem if I write them via Boot camp?

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there is software that gets rid off the typical OS X files.
I use Eject for Windows.

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Blimey, that guide I wrote turns up all over the place! Or bits of it anyway lol

That's within the pdf in post #1

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I use Eject for Windows.



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@fred44nl thanks I'll give this a try


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Blimey, that guide I wrote turns up all over the place! Or bits of it anyway lol



That's within the pdf in post #1

Did notice that extract in congo's post seemed to contain a extract of your guide ( recognised the hand lol)


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Adrian, do you have any idea when the 2016 maps will be live? I'm currently mapless as deleted my old partition ready to install the 2015 pack, but am now holding off installing them as I might as well go straight to 2016.

If there is going to be a long delay I'll go ahead and install the 2015 pack and update again later...
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I'm currently mapless as deleted my old partition
in Adrian's excellent pdf, it says to delete the old maps, before installing new ones.
mine have been updated now 3 times, and the old maps have never been deleted separately, as suggested by Adrian's pdf.

I would say that the manual deletion of old maps is only really necessary, when the installation fails, for some reason.

in the file MMI3G - metainfo2.txt it says for every folder: DeleteDestinationDirBeforeCopy = "true", which explains it for me

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in Adrian's excellent pdf, it says to delete the old maps, before installing new ones.
mine have been updated now 3 times, and the old maps have never been deleted separately, as suggested by Adrian's pdf.

I would say that the manual deletion of old maps is only really necessary, when the installation fails, for some reason.

in the file MMI3G - metainfo2.txt it says for every folder: DeleteDestinationDirBeforeCopy = "true", which explains it for me
Thanks for that, but unfortunatley I had really old firmware and map files - this meant I lost access to the maps when I put the later firmware on anyway.
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The reason for recommending deleting the partition is that many pre-2010 vehicles left the factory with any inadequately sized nav partition, so after updating the firmware it resets the partition size to make sure you don't get the failed install message. It shouldn't be necessary to do it after the firmware has been updated to the current level, so maybe it's something I need to revisit in the guide.

I think I caveat it a bit in the guide, but I did delete as a belt and braces approach and didn't suffer any problems. Also figured it might get around the need on earlier cars to go into the green menu and change all the values by 1 to get around the 'invalid dataset' message, although not tried it on an older car to see if that actually works! Original 2009 firmware versions would be ideal guinea pigs.

2 of 8 parts have uploaded so far (they're 2.5GB each) but I left it running this morning and either it's taking ages or the upload has stopped and I won't know till I get home.....it shouldn't take 'that' long to upload, given the hassle of doing the install. I'd wait a day or two rather than running the update twice in quick succession

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3 of 8 parts now up - it's uploading at about 380KB/s......

Will leave PC on until it's done

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I'm all updated to the 2016 maps and latest firmware. I came from a very old version indeed, but everything went exactly as described in Adrian's write up.

Firstly I feel I have to say a huge thanks to Adrian. The guide he has created is very well written, very detailed - yet easy to understand. Without this guide it would be impossible to have completed this upgrade without Audi's assistance. I used the firmware upgrades from Adrian's link and can vouch they work 100%. Thanks again Adrian – good work

Secondly I'd like to thank Congo. While waiting for the 2016 maps to be uploaded I was given an alternate link by Congo. These maps downloaded very quickly and worked 100% - thanks very much!

On my car the 2016 maps took around 2 hours 20 minutes to install using a 32GB SanDisk Extreme Class 10 90Mbps memory card. I ran the update off the battery, but only because I know it's 100%. As has been stated previously (and as Leeful found out!) it isn't guaranteed the battery will last that long!

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as you can see from the pics, I am also completely up-to-date
been in the car for just over 2 1/2 hours, with the engine running, as my battery-indicator dropped one block, only from updating from Hnav_EU_K0257_5_D1 to Hnav_EU_K0257_6_D1
after updating the maps, I now have Hnav_EU_K0257_6_D2

as you can see from the screen shot of my laptop, I deleted all LIT3GP-files. which brings the total space on the SD-card just under 25 GB.

all in all, quite an experience, especially with the fantastic pdf from Adrian.
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According my app the files have finished uploading - need to organise them and will update with a link

still on my way home from work at the moment :/
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Finally I'm all updated, it took around 4-4.5hrs

I went from:

Software version: HNav_EU_K0206_3_D1

Nav.database version: 8R0060884R ECE 5.11.7

To:

Software version: HNav_EU_K0257_6_D2

Nav.database version: 8R0060884DF ECE 6.22.4

I enabled hidden green menu with an app called Carista via a wifi OBD2 connector, that allowed me to delete the partition before starting the map update.

All that is left to do now is clear the fault codes down with VCDS as described in Adrian's PDF, just awaiting my USB cable to arrive so I can use my copy running via fusion ware on my MacBook Air.

I would like to personally thank the following:
@Adrian E for providing the firmware, map updates and activator together with a comprehensive step by step PDF.
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Glad you got updated @Matthew Borrett. Got to take myself the next step up to 257_6_D2 and the 2016 maps when I get another spare 4 hours....

How do you find the Carista + wifi OBD2? I presume it is this from Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00YVHGTBM/?tag=carista-21

From you saying you are getting a VCDS to clear the codes I'm guessing it can't do that, so what does it do? I'd prefer to be able to use my phone/iPad to scan and tinker without having to run a virtual windows machine on my Mac laptop and drag that out to the car.

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Glad you got updated @Matthew Borrett. Got to take myself the next step up to 257_6_D2 and the 2016 maps when I get another spare 4 hours....

How do you find the Carista + wifi OBD2? I presume it is this from Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00YVHGTBM/?tag=carista-21

From you saying you are getting a VCDS to clear the codes I'm guessing it can't do that, so what does it do? I'd prefer to be able to use my phone/iPad to scan and tinker without having to run a virtual windows machine on my Mac laptop and drag that out to the car.

Richard - Carista can read and clear fault codes, enable the hidden menu and enable a selection of programmable features (eg beep tone on lock/unlock etc.). It does not allow access to change the raw coding like VCDS.


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a virtual windows machine on my Mac laptop
nothing wrong with that.
doing it all the time

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How do you find the Carista + wifi OBD2? I presume it is this from Amazon: Carista OBD2 Adapter and Scanner for iPhone/iPad and Android + Free App: Amazon.co.uk: Car & Motorbike
The app is free to download from the App Store and I did start out by using their OBD2 connector which is Bluetooth, however I return this and got this one "OBDII OBD2 Diagnostic Wifi Vgate Car Diagnostics Tool,IPAD,IPHONE,ANDROID ICAR2" from Amazon as it connects via wifi which is just my preference.

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From you saying you are getting a VCDS to clear the codes I'm guessing it can't do that, so what does it do?

Although it does bring up the error codes and has the option to clear these it didn't appear to work as after rescanning they were still present!

The App itself has the following functionality:

Code:
Free:

Check faults and reset 

Shows available customisations but paid version is required to activate them. 


Paid (£15 from memory):

Detailed scan and check codes against Ross-tech database 

Customisation (depending upon vehicle) but for my A5 these are:

Doors / Windows / Remote:

Auto-lock doors when moving
YES / NO

Auto-unlock doors when key is taken out of ignition
YES / NO

Auto-lock trunk when moving
YES / NO

Beep when alarm is armed
YES / NO

Unlock doors via remote
DRIVER'S DOOR ON 1ST PRESS, ALL ON 2ND / ALL DOORS ON 1ST PRESS

Unlock doors via smart key (door handle button)
DRIVER'S DOOR ON 1ST PRESS, ALL ON 2ND / ALL DOORS ON 1ST PRESS

Enable settings for opening/closing windows and sunroof
YES / NO

Open/close windows and sunroof via long-press on remote
YES / NO

Close windows via long-press on remote
YES / NO

Open windows via long-press on remote
YES / NO

Close sunroof via long-press on remote
YES / NO

Open sunroof via long-press on remote
YES / NO

Sunroof action when opening via remote
SLIDE / TILT

Open/close only driver's window via remote or key
YES / NO

Open/close windows and sunroof via smart key
YES / NO

Close windows via smart key
YES / NO

Close sunroof via smart key
YES / NO

Open/close windows and sunroof by holding key in door lock
YES / NO

Open windows by holding key in door lock
YES / NO

Open sunroof by holding key in door lock
YES / NO

Close windows by holding key in door lock
YES / NO

Close sunroof by holding key in door lock
YES / NO

Close convertible roof via long-press on remote
YES / NO

Close convertible roof by holding key in door lock
YES / NO

Close convertible roof via smart key
YES / NO

Open convertible roof via long-press on remote
YES / NO

Open convertible roof by holding key in door lock
YES / NO

Blink turn signals when done closing windows via remote
YES / NO

Enable remote control when vehicle is running and in gear
YES / NO

Instruments / Display / Dings:

Display warning about using navigation when moving
YES / NO

Gauge needle sweep at startup
YES / NO

Gauge needles lit even when headlights are off
YES / NO

Gauge scales lit even when headlights are off
YES / NO

Seat belt warning
DISABLED / US/CANADA STYLE / EURO STYLE 1 / EURO STYLE 2 / EURO STYLE 3

Navigation disc eject button
ENABLED / DISABLED

Lights:

Allow configuring daytime running lights via dash display
YES / NO

Use front LED lights as daytime running lights
YES / NO

Use fog lights as daytime running lights
YES / NO

Use high beams as daytime running lights
YES / NO

Use tail lights as daytime running lights
YES / NO

Use side marker lights as daytime running lights
YES / NO

Use low beams as daytime running lights
YES / NO

Dim daytime running lights when ignition and parking lights are both on
YES / NO

Turn off daytime running lights ("wink") when turn signal is on
YES / NO

Coming-home lights
ENABLED / DISABLED

Leaving-home lights
ENABLED / DISABLED

Use fog lights as coming-home lights
YES / NO

Use low beams as coming-home lights
YES / NO

Coming-home lights duration
10 SECONDS / 20 SECONDS / 30 SECONDS / 40 SECONDS / 50 SECONDS / 60 SECONDS

Turn off front fog lights when high beams are on
YES / NO

Turn off rear fog lights when high beams are on
YES / NO

Flash brake lights in emergency stopping
YES / NO

Flash hazard lights in emergency stopping
YES / NO

Turn on side marker lights with headlights (US models only)
YES / NO

"Euro" parking lights when ignition off, turn signal on
YES / NO

Other:

Lower passenger-side mirror when in reverse gear (may need memory seats)
YES / NO

Remember position when lowering passenger-side mirror in reverse gear
YES / NO

All in all not a bad little app


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Have you got the folder structure right on the SD card, or have you used a Mac to copy the files over?

Can't think of any other potential reasons it can't read the metainfo file from the top level of the card....

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And you are using SD card and not dvd right. I have tried with dvd's for the firmware upgrade and can confirm that it is not working.


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